Once again my opinion is clearly irrelevant as to what the market wants. The masses are more informed than you think they are. 

Well if they are informed and Sales = quality then Carnival Games Wii > your PC games list. Yes or No?

You know what's funny? The fact that the same people who held up the PS3 and 360 as having the best games, and derided the Wii for appealing to the masses but not having good games, are now defending the PS4 and Xbox One as being the systems that appeal to the masses despite the game quality, while deriding the Wii U for not selling games well enough, even if the games are higher quality.

And Metacritic had been their great symbol of quality - they always pointed to the number of PS3 and 360 games with a high Metacritic score, and the fact that it was higher than that of the Wii, to prove that the 360 and PS3 were the better systems. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, they bash Metacritic as being meaningless in the face of popular opinion.

And their justification for the claim that the PS4 and XBO are the better systems? Because of "more popular appeal"... never mind that neither system has sold anywhere near as many units as the Wii U (and yes, despite the 1 year lead, it is a relevant observation).

As of end of November...
PS4 tie ratio: 2.454
XBO tie ratio: 2.822
WiiU tie ratio: 3.205

So the claim that Wii U owners aren't buying games is just plain wrong.

EDIT: Notice that I make no disparaging remark about the PS4 or XBO. Or the PS3, or the 360. I wouldn't, because I'm a real gamer - I consider gaming to be what matters. PS4 and XBO will get their top-rated games, in time. And Wii U will get more top-rated games, too. The console war absurdity needs to stop - we are all gamers, and whether you prefer the PS3, 360, Wii, PS4, XBO, WiiU, 3DS, PSV, PC, or any other system, you should be celebrating the broad range of options we have, and not outright attacking other systems and celebrating poor results.

If you call yourself a gamer, and engage in console wars, then you're lying to yourself, and to everyone else.

Sure. I'm not some flip flopper compared to the others in this forum who drops away an actual point in order to further their own dumb agendas. 

Sure. I'm not some flip flopper compared to the others in this forum who drops away an actual point in order to further their own dumb agendas. 

Good. It's nice to see someone stick to there belief. However, I whole heartedly disagree with you on this one. There are so many factors that contribute to game sales. Activision or EA could put out a mediocre game, throw in some guns and explosions and back it with tens of millions of dollars in ads  and it will sell somewhat well as long as it sits around a 7 (metacritic). A smaller developer could self publish the same sort of game with better gameplay mechanics, deeper storyline, better graphics, meta rating of 9.5 etc and sell 1/3rd of what the mediocre game does due to less awareness, smaller marketing budget and not being established like the other two publishers. We as a game community tend to have more variables in factoring in a purchase for a specific game than your average Joe.

Anyways, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. 

Well you said kinect sucks even though it sold 30 million, i thought sales = quality.

That's actually bad considering the amount of bundles microsoft went through to get that thing in peoples homes. Look at kinect sales now. 

it was bundled bought the console was a 100$ more so what's your point, you sound like a flop flopper here, 30 million is bad in what world.