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drake4 on 14 December 2013
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:

what do you think nintendo can do to be more relevant, please don't tell me more powerful hardware.

Wait what ?! You obviously didn't understand what I had meant. The WII was obviously not some fad as people though out to be. I agree that more powerful hardware is meaningless. For nintendo to be relevant again they need to go blue ocean again otherwise their not gonna have much chance. 


dude, microsft, sony and nintendo all are trying to come with ways to attract the none gamers, the thing thing is it's very difficult to pull off, and even if they do, its not a market that will come back, just look at the wii to wiiu.



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fatslob-:O on 14 December 2013
oniyide said:
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:

what do you think nintendo can do to be more relevant, please don't tell me more powerful hardware.

Wait what ?! You obviously didn't understand what I had meant. The WII was obviously not some fad as people though out to be. I agree that more powerful hardware is meaningless. For nintendo to be relevant again they need to go blue ocean again otherwise their not gonna have much chance. 

what do you think the gamepad is?

It's a throwback to the dreamcast/gamecube obviously. We all know how those systems did, right ? 



fatslob-:O on 14 December 2013
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:

what do you think nintendo can do to be more relevant, please don't tell me more powerful hardware.

Wait what ?! You obviously didn't understand what I had meant. The WII was obviously not some fad as people though out to be. I agree that more powerful hardware is meaningless. For nintendo to be relevant again they need to go blue ocean again otherwise their not gonna have much chance. 


dude, microsft, sony and nintendo all are trying to come with ways to attract the none gamers, the thing thing is it's very difficult to pull off, and even if they do, its not a market that will come back, just look at the wii to wiiu.

It is difficult to expand audience but nintendo lost them because they decided to do something stupid such as acting like their creativity was the key to success but all nintendo needed to do was to make a WII 2 not a gamecube 2. 



drake4 on 14 December 2013
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:

what do you think nintendo can do to be more relevant, please don't tell me more powerful hardware.

Wait what ?! You obviously didn't understand what I had meant. The WII was obviously not some fad as people though out to be. I agree that more powerful hardware is meaningless. For nintendo to be relevant again they need to go blue ocean again otherwise their not gonna have much chance. 


dude, microsft, sony and nintendo all are trying to come with ways to attract the none gamers, the thing thing is it's very difficult to pull off, and even if they do, its not a market that will come back, just look at the wii to wiiu.

It is difficult to expand audience but nintendo lost them because they decided to do something stupid such as acting like their creativity was the key to success but all nintendo needed to do was to make a WII 2 not a gamecube 2. 

so your saying a wiiu minus the gamepad with a more refined wii mote at 199$ launch price.



fatslob-:O on 14 December 2013
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:

what do you think nintendo can do to be more relevant, please don't tell me more powerful hardware.

Wait what ?! You obviously didn't understand what I had meant. The WII was obviously not some fad as people though out to be. I agree that more powerful hardware is meaningless. For nintendo to be relevant again they need to go blue ocean again otherwise their not gonna have much chance. 


dude, microsft, sony and nintendo all are trying to come with ways to attract the none gamers, the thing thing is it's very difficult to pull off, and even if they do, its not a market that will come back, just look at the wii to wiiu.

It is difficult to expand audience but nintendo lost them because they decided to do something stupid such as acting like their creativity was the key to success but all nintendo needed to do was to make a WII 2 not a gamecube 2. 

so your saying a wiiu minus the gamepad with a more refined wii mote at 199$ launch price.

Absolutely, provided that they focus their development resources on relevant games such as 2D mario I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be in this mess their in right now! Go ask rolstoppable, curl-6, noname2200, Arius Dion and other level headed nintendo fans for a better input on the situation. They'll agree with me that the WII was better than the WII U all around and I'm pretty sure they would agree with me that the WII 2 would have been the better idea too. You could also learn a thing or to from from a blogger known as sean malstrom. 



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Soundwave on 14 December 2013

Casual gaming isn't blue ocean anymore. It's the very definition of a red ocean market. That's the problem. It's an overserved market with a million options today, many of which are free or $1 a pop.

That's a dead end for Nintendo.

The Wii U is not some core console (yet), look at Nintendo's freaking software allocation for the system:

Bridge games (casual friendly): NSMBU, Mario 3D World (2)

Casual games: Nintendo Land, Game & Wario, Sing Party, Wii Sports Club, Wii Fit U, Wii Party U, Mario & Sonic Olympics (7)

Core games: Ninja Gaiden 3 (port), Wonderful 101, Zelda: Wind Waker HD, Pikmin 3 (4, only 2 of which are new games)

Kids-centric games: LEGO City (1)

It has more casual games/mini-game compilations in year 1 than even the Wii did. The GameCube had considerably more "hardcore" exclusives early on ... Resident Evil Remake, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron II, Pikmin, Smash, NBA Courtside 2002, Wave Race: Blue Storm, Eternal Darkness, Resident Evil 0, Metroid Prime ... Wii U is not the GameCube. It may sell like the GameCube but actually looking at its software library it's probably the most casual-centric first year for any Nintendo platform ever (Wii included). 



drake4 on 14 December 2013
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:

what do you think nintendo can do to be more relevant, please don't tell me more powerful hardware.

Wait what ?! You obviously didn't understand what I had meant. The WII was obviously not some fad as people though out to be. I agree that more powerful hardware is meaningless. For nintendo to be relevant again they need to go blue ocean again otherwise their not gonna have much chance. 


dude, microsft, sony and nintendo all are trying to come with ways to attract the none gamers, the thing thing is it's very difficult to pull off, and even if they do, its not a market that will come back, just look at the wii to wiiu.

It is difficult to expand audience but nintendo lost them because they decided to do something stupid such as acting like their creativity was the key to success but all nintendo needed to do was to make a WII 2 not a gamecube 2. 

so your saying a wiiu minus the gamepad with a more refined wii mote at 199$ launch price.

Absolutely, provided that they focus their development resources on relevant games such as 2D mario I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be in this mess their in right now! Go ask rolstoppable, curl-6, noname2200, Arius Dion and other level headed nintendo fans for a better input on the situation. They'll agree with me that the WII was better than the WII U all around and I'm pretty sure they would agree with me that the WII 2 would have been the better idea too. You could also learn a thing or to from from a blogger known as sean malstrom. 

only problem is 360 and p3 now have motion controls and every 3rd party game, i don't see how this would work anymore. like sounwave said above me, i don't think there is anything they can do.



oniyide on 14 December 2013
fatslob-:O said:
oniyide said:
fatslob-:O said:
drake4 said:

what do you think nintendo can do to be more relevant, please don't tell me more powerful hardware.

Wait what ?! You obviously didn't understand what I had meant. The WII was obviously not some fad as people though out to be. I agree that more powerful hardware is meaningless. For nintendo to be relevant again they need to go blue ocean again otherwise their not gonna have much chance. 

what do you think the gamepad is?

It's a throwback to the dreamcast/gamecube obviously. We all know how those systems did, right ? 


those systems had a gamepad?



oniyide on 14 December 2013

people still believe they could have just made a Wii 2? Nope you cant pull the same thing twice, sure it would have sold better but it would not have come anywhere near the Wii. pretty sure people dont care that much about motion gaming anymore



Soundwave on 14 December 2013
oniyide said:
people still believe they could have just made a Wii 2? Nope you cant pull the same thing twice, sure it would have sold better but it would not have come anywhere near the Wii. pretty sure people dont care that much about motion gaming anymore


Even though I agree that ship has long since sailed, I would advocate for them to dump the Game Pad (or at least remove it from the main SKU) simply because it makes the system more expensive than it has to be and that's not doing them any favors. 

The sooner they can get to $199.99, the sooner perhaps they can get some impulse buyers who have a soft spot for Mario Kart or cheapo parents. 

Mind you, I don't think this salvages the Wii U, but maybe is the difference between selling 17-22 million hardware units LTD and 24-29 million.