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ethomaz on 02 December 2013

IsawYoshi said:

As I said, the same thing with smartphones. When my dad got his first he had problems because the moment the screen didn't pick up he naturally answered by pressing harder, wich doesn't really work.

Well I hated the first NOKIA touchscreen phone so I come to buy touchscreen phones again only after iPhone 4... so much improviment and so that makes the use fantastic... some Androids is good too.

But I need to use one old NOKIA touchcreen last week (because the work)... the phone was the C5-03... it was terrible and remembered me what made I wait so much time to move to touchscreen.

The first touchscreens phones are garbage... it was not question of get used because it was a hit and miss... you need to to touche a lot of times to get one command works.

Glad the touchscreen tech moreve forward and today I'm really happy with what we have.

Edit - I almost threw it on the wall... I can't even dial the right numbers... NOKIA C5-03... try to use it.



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TheSting on 02 December 2013
ethomaz said:

endimion said:

^^this

the only thing I desagree with, at least with the kinect 1 is the cadence of speech.... mine works perfectly even if you say litteraly XBoxhelp instead of XBox help
now that said the result are not optimal that way since a slight variation of word inflection will mess it up... but I do this all the time with my wife to see who can switch to the next episode the fastest on netflix or hulu and it works just fine for the most part.... I litteraly say XBOXnextEpisode... I really need to do a video someday... when you know how that little wonder of technology tic it is just awesome... unless it is playing a deaf ear which it does sometime especially after being idle for a while.... again I'm talking about kinect 1 here but I don't see why kinect 2 wouldn't work the same at least or way better

I don't know but some sites said that right now Kinect One works worst than Kinect 1 for voice commands... it will get better... it didn't use the same tech used in the Kinect 1... it is a new sorfware only for Xbone.

With proper updated I'm sure Kinect One will work better than Kinect 1... even more now that MS have more consumers evidences to adjust the software in the right way.


I agree with this. It's hit and miss sometimes. Usually because I didn't talk to it right. I noticed if I have a radio playing on my phone it struggles to hear me. May need to recalibrate my Kinect with the TV up louder. 



Goatseye on 02 December 2013
ethomaz said:

Yeap... and in fact Kinect One is more flexible with a lot of new commands but the voice recognition needs yet to catch the Kinect 1... just give MS some time... BTW I say something tha you will call me fanboy but the PS4 voice recognition works for few commands (very few... the Kinect One is way better for that) but it works better than the Kinect One right now.

Maybe you guys didn't have issues because your native language is English and you have a good speak but right now the Kinect 1 works better than both Kinect One and PSEye... and for the few voice commands of the PSEye it works better too.

MS just need to calibrate the voice recognition now to make it more opened to all the differente speaker.

My native is Portuguese.

I just give the prompt command, then the execution clearly.



IsawYoshi on 02 December 2013
ethomaz said:

IsawYoshi said:

As I said, the same thing with smartphones. When my dad got his first he had problems because the moment the screen didn't pick up he naturally answered by pressing harder, wich doesn't really work.

Well I hated the first NOKIA touchscreen phone so I come to buy touchscreen phones again only after iPhone 4... so much improviment and so that makes the use fantastic... some Androids is good too.

But I need to use one old NOKIA touchcreen last week (because the work)... the phone was the C5-03... it was terrible and remembered me what made I wait so much time to move to touchscreen.

The first touchscreens phones are garbage... it was not question of get used because it was a hit and miss... you need to to touche a lot of times to get one command works.

Glad the touchscreen tech moreve forward and today I'm really happy with what we have.

Edit - I almost threw it on the wall... I can't even dial the right numbers... NOKIA C5-03... try to use it.



I'd rather not. :p His first phone were a Sony Xperia mini though, probably from 2010 or something, so I don't think it was that bad, but at the same time mini wasn't something for him. The screens were way too small. He has cought on now though, and he handeles our Galaxy tab nicely. When I got my first smartphone I had the same problems, I was used to the DS touchscreens, which are pressure based instead of heat based. I'm sure Kinect will "get better" by us getting better at using it.

theprof00 on 02 December 2013
endimion said:
Adinnieken said:

First, try a hard reboot of your console.

Hold the power button down for 15 seconds, it'll shut off.
Wait 30 seconds, then turn the Xbox One back on.

Next, make sure there is nothing on top of or above your Kinect.  Such as a shelf.  The Kinect sensor should be open to the room.

Next, recalibrate your Kinect with the volume of your TV up high. 

Finally, make sure you use a normal conversational voice when speaking to your Xbox One.  Consider the Xbox One tempermental, but it does not appreciate you shouting at it.  It's right there in the room.  It can hear you loud and clear (if you calibrate it properly), just talk to it.  I know this sounds funny, but it's true.

Xbox One is tempermental about what you say, so make sure you do use the correct phrase for commands, but also the proper cadence.  It's Xbox Help, not Xbox help or worse, Xboxhelp.

To turn the Xbox One off, Xbox: Turn Off.  Not Xbox: Off. 

I'm not saying you haven't done that, I'm just saying make sure you do it this way.

If a hard boot fixes the problems you were having without any other effort, it's a well known issue.  The OS may need a hard boot every now and again to resolve issues, hopefully until Microsoft gets things fixed.


^^this

the only thing I desagree with, at least with the kinect 1 is the cadence of speech.... mine works perfectly even if you say litteraly XBoxhelp instead of XBox help
now that said the result are not optimal that way since a slight variation of word inflection will mess it up... but I do this all the time with my wife to see who can switch to the next episode the fastest on netflix or hulu and it works just fine for the most part.... I litteraly say XBOXnextEpisode... I really need to do a video someday... when you know how that little wonder of technology tic it is just awesome... unless it is playing a deaf ear which it does sometime especially after being idle for a while.... again I'm talking about kinect 1 here but I don't see why kinect 2 wouldn't work the same at least or way better

All of this. It's pretty simple. Anyone can figure it out.



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selnor1983 on 02 December 2013

Couldnt bother to read.

1. I have one and know its already great.

2. CHances are this is a Sony fanboy post. No idea, but everyting in MS section lately is.

3. Who cares. We have it now. And trading my PS3 and 360 was the best decision.

Moderated,

-Mr Khan



prayformojo on 02 December 2013
Adinnieken said:

First, try a hard reboot of your console.

Hold the power button down for 15 seconds, it'll shut off.
Wait 30 seconds, then turn the Xbox One back on.

Next, make sure there is nothing on top of or above your Kinect.  Such as a shelf.  The Kinect sensor should be open to the room.

Next, recalibrate your Kinect with the volume of your TV up high. 

Finally, make sure you use a normal conversational voice when speaking to your Xbox One.  Consider the Xbox One tempermental, but it does not appreciate you shouting at it.  It's right there in the room.  It can hear you loud and clear (if you calibrate it properly), just talk to it.  I know this sounds funny, but it's true.

Xbox One is tempermental about what you say, so make sure you do use the correct phrase for commands, but also the proper cadence.  It's Xbox Help, not Xbox help or worse, Xboxhelp.

To turn the Xbox One off, Xbox: Turn Off.  Not Xbox: Off. 

I'm not saying you haven't done that, I'm just saying make sure you do it this way.

If a hard boot fixes the problems you were having without any other effort, it's a well known issue.  The OS may need a hard boot every now and again to resolve issues, hopefully until Microsoft gets things fixed.



Doesn't all of that sort of negate the whole point of HAVING Kinect? I'm not bashing the system, as I think it's pretty cool, but Kinect is suppose to exist for causals and people who don't know how to use a TV remote. If people have to memorize commands, AND learn how to properly space words and overly pronounce things, they're just going to give up all together.

theprof00 on 02 December 2013

Hey, that OP was pretty good for having written it with kinect!



endimion on 02 December 2013
Adinnieken said:
endimion said:


^^this

the only thing I desagree with, at least with the kinect 1 is the cadence of speech.... mine works perfectly even if you say litteraly XBoxhelp instead of XBox help
now that said the result are not optimal that way since a slight variation of word inflection will mess it up... but I do this all the time with my wife to see who can switch to the next episode the fastest on netflix or hulu and it works just fine for the most part.... I litteraly say XBOXnextEpisode... I really need to do a video someday... when you know how that little wonder of technology tic it is just awesome... unless it is playing a deaf ear which it does sometime especially after being idle for a while.... again I'm talking about kinect 1 here but I don't see why kinect 2 wouldn't work the same at least or way better

If the notification is up on the screen that the Xbox is listening, you can just say the command.  Not the prompt first.

So, the first time.  "Xbox: Next Episode", but if the notification is still up, you can say "Next Episode" again or any other command.

oh yeah I know but the command screen is rarely up when I have to go to the next episode :)

I was just pointing out that the kinect 1 sensor is more precise than people make it out to be when it is working..... can't wait for kinect 2 pesonally



Adinnieken on 02 December 2013
prayformojo said:
Adinnieken said:

First, try a hard reboot of your console.

Hold the power button down for 15 seconds, it'll shut off.
Wait 30 seconds, then turn the Xbox One back on.

Next, make sure there is nothing on top of or above your Kinect.  Such as a shelf.  The Kinect sensor should be open to the room.

Next, recalibrate your Kinect with the volume of your TV up high. 

Finally, make sure you use a normal conversational voice when speaking to your Xbox One.  Consider the Xbox One tempermental, but it does not appreciate you shouting at it.  It's right there in the room.  It can hear you loud and clear (if you calibrate it properly), just talk to it.  I know this sounds funny, but it's true.

Xbox One is tempermental about what you say, so make sure you do use the correct phrase for commands, but also the proper cadence.  It's Xbox Help, not Xbox help or worse, Xboxhelp.

To turn the Xbox One off, Xbox: Turn Off.  Not Xbox: Off. 

I'm not saying you haven't done that, I'm just saying make sure you do it this way.

If a hard boot fixes the problems you were having without any other effort, it's a well known issue.  The OS may need a hard boot every now and again to resolve issues, hopefully until Microsoft gets things fixed.


Doesn't all of that sort of negate the whole point of HAVING Kinect? I'm not bashing the system, as I think it's pretty cool, but Kinect is suppose to exist for causals and people who don't know how to use a TV remote. If people have to memorize commands, AND learn how to properly space words and overly pronounce things, they're just going to give up all together.

Yes, and no.

Item #1 is clearly a bug.  The system was not designed so that you hard reset the console every so often.  If you have to hard reset the console to clear the memory or refresh applications, then something is wrong.  Bugs can be fixed, and this one likely will be a priority.

Item #2 is by design.  The accoustics of something closely above or on top of Kinect can have a negative impact.

Item #3 is an issue that results from the realworld.  The accoustics of different environments means that how sounds are absorbed or reflected may not be picked up at a low or normal volume.  Thus, turning up the volume and then calibrating is necessary.

Item #4 is the difference between natural language and what can be accomplished with the software of today, as well as design choices.  Xbox Off versus Xbox Turn Off may be a design decision, or it could be that Kinect can get other words confused with "Off".  Consider if you will, every dialect of every language.  There are, in a nation of roughly 60 million people in the UK, 32 different dialects of English.  That doesn't even include Scotland (6), Wales (3), or Northern Ireland (5).  

Have you heard Glaswegian?  In the UK, Scottish TV shows get subtitled when rebroadcast in England because they can't even understand Scots Englishs!  The original home release of Trainspotting for Scotland doesn't include any subtitles.  The US/UK release does because there are parts spoken in a night club that most normal, non-Scots speaking people can't understand except the end when they both say "Football!" 

My point is, while Xbox Off may work it may not work perfectly.  Therefore, Xbox Turn Off may be necessary to ensure Kinect understands what people really want to do.  Kinect is capable of natural language, and the system does use natural language searching, but for some reason system command prompts are far more rigid.  Game launching being the most obvious one where you have to know and pronounce properly the full game name.  You can't shorthand it.

It'll be interesting to see how "Cortana" (discussion in another thread) works out, if it evolves everything currently on the Xbox One into natural language.