Dup.

I wonder what the likes of Ryse would look like scaled down from 900p to 720 if you left the console set to that and jumped into a game, would it do a decent job of downscaling it? could make it super bright maybe? :D

I don't know... it is a good test to do but Ryse uses a internal upscaler made by Crytek... no the MS one... I think they use a internal downscaler too.

Wonder if not using the built in up/down scaling tools would mean they'll have to be running even extra code all the time while at the same time managing to output 900p on the system that capcom and activision just cheaped out and put 720p on, kinda goes to show you what a decent dev can do compared to some lazy ports I guess...

ah.... look forwards to seeing what you think of that on the 7th! if you and Kowenicki couldn't read each others posts ye'd either be 1. a lot happier and on here all the time... or 2. wouldn't come here at all because I think ye both love it in an odd way :D

No this is wrong. Massively.

Run the Calibrate HDTV under settings. It starts by clearly saying make sure you have turned ON the 1080p setting if your TV supports it. Then it runs you through resetting all TV sttings to factory. Then it runs through all Contrast, Brightness, Black Level settings, Colour Temperature Rone among others. It requires you to follow it exactly the order Microsoft are telling you to do it. Its way more extensive than the set ups you get on Blurays for example.

My blacks actually arent crushed. I played this last night to see. My picture is not like the top ones in this thread. But more importantly are not like the bottom washed ut ones either.

If you run the set up and do it properly at 1080p you do not get crushed blacks. The image for example in a dark scene is not invisible in places.

Categorically. The 1080p image I recieve after doing the set up is infinitely better than without set up and 720p.

Maybe you're just not seeing it or don't want to see it. Otherwise you can help out the people at AVForums and AVSForums that are having problems with their calibrated displays.

I'm just annoyed that I've had my TV settings calibrated (using settings from HDTV Test I believe), and now along comes XB1 with its HDMI passthrough, which crushes blacks and degrades the picture.

I knew Star Trek: Into Darkness* lacked its usual quality when I watched it via XB1's Blu Ray player.
Between this and the HDMI passthrough, the black levels on this console are screwed up.

My TV simply has Full, limited or auto - Unlike Samsungs who use HDMI black level, low / normal.
TV - Limited Xbone - Limited = Crushed Blacks
TV - Full Xbone - Full = Crushed Blacks
Also tried variants of the above, with no better image. My TV is configured correctly, and everything was spot on with My WIIU and PS3.

Anyway it's good the XBox One introduced you to TV calibration as it seems you have enjoyed washed out TV for the past 7 years. Maybe because you had the tv's brightness up to compensate for the gamma adjustment on the 360?

Calibrate HDTV settings included -> big plus.
Altering contrast and gamma on console -> huge NO.

Using HDTV calibration via XBox One is nothing more then a patch trying to undo a basic flaw.

So he hasnt run the Xbox One HDTV set up for the input his HDTV is accepting his Xbox One signal. He clearly says he used the settings from another source. My freind paid to have his HDTV set up proffessionally. But since then has realsied every device gives a different output. His recent Sony Bluray Player he bought for £400 ( Not a cheap Bluray player these days ) changed his picture again. You should set up your TV for each device and input. Hance why all TVs now can save settings for each input.

As I only have 1 input now to my TV ( The Xbox One ) I made sure to set it up via Xbox One exactly as instructed. I know what crushed blacks look like. I do not have that on my Xbox One at 1080p. My Killer Instinct does not look like either picture in the OP.

Ive posted a video about how my Sky runs perfect in the UK with no juddering. So Im not lying about my results. I will attempt to try and capture my Killer Instinct at 1080p. Thats harder though, as it has to be camera. Because card capture wont work, as it would need my TV settings also. Microsoft have included terminology for all makes of TV in their set up.

Tops are waaaaaay too dark and unnaturally oversaturated, while the bottoms look a little washed out. I'd prefer adjusting my own picture though, so I'd prefer the bottom pictures.

Aliasing.... oh now you can ignore it in the name of "washed blacks". I wonder if you could calibrate the tv in order to get to the aliasing level set in the upper pics?

I've calibrated my displays and all devices except XBox 360 look great. Since it's all going through an amp I only use one HDMI input on the tv so I have to change settings when I use the 360. Seems XBox One has the same problem, still the odd one out. I connected my ps4 and did a blu-ray calibration test and it was all perfect right out of the box, same settings again as for TV and other consoles. It's very easy to see on my projector since it has it's own signal analysis tools built in. Saying every device needs it's own settings is simply not true.

Maybe you don't care as much about shadow detail, or are playing with ambient light. I'm annoyed with the blue light on the ps4 controller interfering with the blacks on the projector screen. It's currently winter so I stick it under a blanket during dark scenes, I hope there will be an option to turn it off before summer, or a piece of tape will do.

Anyway I'll trust the people that dwell on AV sites and calibrate using all kinds of tools instead of taking your word for it. I'll wait for a fix or update to turn the contrast, gamma adjustments and scaling sharpening filter off console side.


There is a work around to get 50hz to work on XBox One, maybe you got that working.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/50hz-fix-201311263472.htm

Here are the precise instructions. First, set your Xbox One to auto-detect HDMI (under Display settings). Then, toggle the resolution from 1080p to 720p (or vice versa), which should trigger a prompt window asking if the screen is displaying correctly, and if you want to keep the new resolution. Select “No” before the 15 seconds is up. This seems to trick the Xbox One into thinking that the TV is not compatible with 60Hz signal, and voila! 50Hz output. Depending on your television set, you may need several attempts to succeed – the good chaps over at CVG have verified that this unofficial fix works too.

Drawback is that games are now also in 50hz.

I can't say I really notice the 50hz to 60hz judder though, I watch plenty BBC made content over here which should have the same problem theoretically. Maybe tv broadcasters do something extra to combat the problem?
I do notice the judder watching movies on TV or digital downloads, 24 to 60 looks awful during pans.