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globalisateur on 02 December 2013
Xenostar said:
selnor1983 said:
SvennoJ said:
selnor1983 said:
The bottom pictures aree all wrong in colour. Theirs no black. The top images are far better. And have more vibrant colour depth. The bottom pics are washed out. My console looks like the top.I have setting on 36 bit colour (factory is 24 ) and RGB colour to full range ( factory set to half ) also 1080p. Best pictuure. Rich colour and not washed out.

They're only all wrong in color if you have not properly calibrated your tv. Judging them on a full rgb pc screen is not a good comparison either.

The issue is that the Xbox One alters the image to make it 'pop' on pc screens. However by doing so it removes detail from the image, both in the lower black and upper white range. Apart from the loss of detail it's also the odd one out again. If you calibrate your tv so the xbox one looks nice, everything else will look washed out. If you calibrate your tv for movie viewing (DVD or Blu-ray calibration) the Xbox One output will be too dark and oversaturated.

It was the same with 360. PS3, TV, DVD, could all share the same settings for correct brighness and contrast range with proper shadow detail, the 360 was too dark on the same settings. Set it right for 360 -> PS3, DVD, TV all look washed out. Now with Xbox One it seems they've only made it worse.

The fact that there is such a huge difference between 720p and upscaled 1080p output should raise plenty of red flags. Calibration should happen on the display side, the console only needs to send the complete unaltered data over.

I hope they add options to disable all the image 'enhancements' in a patch. No sharpness filter and gamma adjustment please.

Everything goes through my Xbox One. TV, Games, Bluray, Tablet screen on large screen. Etc. The Xbo One is my media hub. Use the in built HDTV set up program on Xbox One. It sets all the settings with you. And wallah. Now my Sky TV looks better through The One than direct. It upscales to 1080p my 720p Sky image. Also the colours are WAY better through The One than direct to TV.

I am extremely happy with my 1080p output image. Looks far better than in 720p. It makes Ryse look more realsitic than it already did.

Thats funny because Ryse doesnt use it, Crytek wrote there own software upscaler, presumably they thought it was bad also, to go to this effort. 


Are you sure about that bolded part? Because it would be easier for them to just using the hardware upscaler of the AMD GPU (the same as the PS4).

If I understood properly, there are 2 hardware scalers in the X1. The one in the GPU similar to all GCN AMD cards (a very good upscaler until proven otherwise) and one added by Microsoft architects which does sharpen the image and maybe has others features.

The retail BF4 of X1 does not anymore sharpen the image compared to the review build. I very much doubt that Dice upscales the image via software, it would be too expensive on an already demanding game, they must be using the hardware GPU AMD standard free scaler.

The same for Ryse, why use CPU or GPU ressources, losing 1 or 2 fps when you have a free hardware scaler in the GPU?



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selnor1983 on 02 December 2013
Xenostar said:
selnor1983 said:
SvennoJ said:
selnor1983 said:
The bottom pictures aree all wrong in colour. Theirs no black. The top images are far better. And have more vibrant colour depth. The bottom pics are washed out. My console looks like the top.I have setting on 36 bit colour (factory is 24 ) and RGB colour to full range ( factory set to half ) also 1080p. Best pictuure. Rich colour and not washed out.

They're only all wrong in color if you have not properly calibrated your tv. Judging them on a full rgb pc screen is not a good comparison either.

The issue is that the Xbox One alters the image to make it 'pop' on pc screens. However by doing so it removes detail from the image, both in the lower black and upper white range. Apart from the loss of detail it's also the odd one out again. If you calibrate your tv so the xbox one looks nice, everything else will look washed out. If you calibrate your tv for movie viewing (DVD or Blu-ray calibration) the Xbox One output will be too dark and oversaturated.

It was the same with 360. PS3, TV, DVD, could all share the same settings for correct brighness and contrast range with proper shadow detail, the 360 was too dark on the same settings. Set it right for 360 -> PS3, DVD, TV all look washed out. Now with Xbox One it seems they've only made it worse.

The fact that there is such a huge difference between 720p and upscaled 1080p output should raise plenty of red flags. Calibration should happen on the display side, the console only needs to send the complete unaltered data over.

I hope they add options to disable all the image 'enhancements' in a patch. No sharpness filter and gamma adjustment please.

Everything goes through my Xbox One. TV, Games, Bluray, Tablet screen on large screen. Etc. The Xbo One is my media hub. Use the in built HDTV set up program on Xbox One. It sets all the settings with you. And wallah. Now my Sky TV looks better through The One than direct. It upscales to 1080p my 720p Sky image. Also the colours are WAY better through The One than direct to TV.

I am extremely happy with my 1080p output image. Looks far better than in 720p. It makes Ryse look more realsitic than it already did.

Thats funny because Ryse doesnt use it, Crytek wrote there own software upsaler, presumably they thought it was bad also, to go to this effort. 

I also changed the colour fom 24 bit to 36. nd changed the colour to Full RGB. Ryse looks photorealsitic alot f the ime now. Especially the later levels.



selnor1983 on 02 December 2013
ganoncrotch said:

http://i5.minus.com/ib1dvDEOpVUVOJ.png

 

holy hell at Jago's arm.... you could walk down the aliasing on that like steps :S this surely can't be how this game looks? are these doctored or just badly captured images?

No idea actualy. To busy tryig t win @ 60fps

Tell you what though, the game is bloody amazing. And Only on Xbox.



selnor1983 on 02 December 2013
Krill said:

Before opening this thread I already knew:

(a) it had been started by ethomaz (sigh, not got any games to play so hunt the net for Xbox One problems?), and
(b) this 'story' was lifted straight form NeoGaf like all of ethomaz's other stories.

I have my Xbox One set up with my plasma and the picture is fantastic on games, TV, blu ray and every other media. I took the time to go into Display and Sound Settings.... you know the menu which lets you set up resolution, connection type (HDMI vs DVI), Colour depth (8-bit, 10-bit and 12-bit, expressed x3 as 24, 30 and 36), RGB levels range, and audio.

There’s also the Calibrate HDTV wizard where you are advised to turn off dynamic contrast and edge enhancement and which colour temperature setting to use before starting the fine tuning.
You can adjust the picture to eliminate overscan, edge enhancement, and black and white crush. There is also a basic colour adjustment step which can be used with a “Blue only” mode (Samsung and LG TVs have this).

I wonder if the people who report crushed blacks and overdone edge enhancement actually took the time to visit this set-up menu....

No doubt there will be people attacking this post.  Just to forewarn you I won't be responding - I will be too busy playing Ryse and Forza 5 (both of which are excellent by the way).

Don be so silly. We cant say that here. We have to retend we know the OP pics did all this. ROFL.

Anyoe with an Xbox One. Do as suggested. The image@1080p is brilliant. /thread.



Ganoncrotch on 02 December 2013
selnor1983 said:
ganoncrotch said:

http://i5.minus.com/ib1dvDEOpVUVOJ.png

 

holy hell at Jago's arm.... you could walk down the aliasing on that like steps :S this surely can't be how this game looks? are these doctored or just badly captured images?

No idea actualy. To busy tryig t win @ 60fps

Tell you what though, the game is bloody amazing. And Only on Xbox.

yeah, that's what I'm wondering I'm guessing this is just a really bad capture or else it's just one of those games where you wouldn't notice a single frame with bad AA like this if it's 60fps.



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SvennoJ on 02 December 2013
selnor1983 said:
Xenostar said:

Thats funny because Ryse doesnt use it, Crytek wrote there own software upsaler, presumably they thought it was bad also, to go to this effort. 

I also changed the colour fom 24 bit to 36. nd changed the colour to Full RGB. Ryse looks photorealsitic alot f the ime now. Especially the later levels.

Changing the hdmi output to 36 bpp doesn't do anything for game image quality. The game renders in 24 bit, converting to 36 bit doesn't change anything. Full RGB makes a small difference as the conversion to tv color space will wait until the image arrives on the display.

All movie and tv content is in 8 bit YCbCr (equal to limited 24 bit RGB) though, converting that back and forth can cause issues, best is to leave that in YCbCr and let the conversion happen on the display side. You'll have to wait until 4K movies come around to enjoy 10 bit (deep) color. If you have a 10 bit color panel that is, only very few high end tv's actually have a true 10 bit LCD display, more have 10 bit processing, but panels are usually 8 bit LCD.



selnor1983 on 02 December 2013
ganoncrotch said:
selnor1983 said:
ganoncrotch said:

http://i5.minus.com/ib1dvDEOpVUVOJ.png

 

holy hell at Jago's arm.... you could walk down the aliasing on that like steps :S this surely can't be how this game looks? are these doctored or just badly captured images?

No idea actualy. To busy tryig t win @ 60fps

Tell you what though, the game is bloody amazing. And Only on Xbox.

yeah, that's what I'm wondering I'm guessing this is just a really bad capture or else it's just one of those games where you wouldn't notice a single frame with bad AA like this if it's 60fps.

When I fist used Xbox One,the image on Killer Instinct did look more jagged.

Since then I selected 1080p output on Xbox One. ( It set to 720p factory ).

Also I ran the Calibrate TV mode under settings for the console. This made a huge difference. Killer Instinct almost has no jaggies. It does still a bit, but night and day difference from before I ran the setup.

The setup is extensive an talks you through all your TV settings for picture quality.  urge anyone with an Xbox One to follow exactly what it says. Its like a completely different picture to the one I first saw.  



Ganoncrotch on 02 December 2013
selnor1983 said:
ganoncrotch said:
selnor1983 said:
ganoncrotch said:

http://i5.minus.com/ib1dvDEOpVUVOJ.png

 

holy hell at Jago's arm.... you could walk down the aliasing on that like steps :S this surely can't be how this game looks? are these doctored or just badly captured images?

No idea actualy. To busy tryig t win @ 60fps

Tell you what though, the game is bloody amazing. And Only on Xbox.

yeah, that's what I'm wondering I'm guessing this is just a really bad capture or else it's just one of those games where you wouldn't notice a single frame with bad AA like this if it's 60fps.

When I fist used Xbox One,the image on Killer Instinct did look more jagged.

Since then I selected 1080p output on Xbox One. ( It set to 720p factory ).

Also I ran the Calibrate TV mode under settings for the console. This made a huge difference. Killer Instinct almost has no jaggies. It does still a bit, but night and day difference from before I ran the setup.

The setup is extensive an talks you through all your TV settings for picture quality.  urge anyone with an Xbox One to follow exactly what it says. Its like a completely different picture to the one I first saw.  

Aye it's just when you see screenshots like that one while we still have the likes of

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZReVeyMqlsA/S-KwP1mwoUI/AAAAAAAAAi0/3KDFexdYxAg/s1600/Super_Street_Fighter_4_Screenshot_Vergleich_8.JPG

fresh in our mind from the last generation, now I know that SSF4AE is a late game in the life of the 360 and KI is just a launch title but still I have to call bullshot on that KI screenie for how poorly it's been captured compared to some of the other screenshots around the place of that game. Reminds me of when people tried to compare the 3ds images to the vita but every Vita image was taken from E3 PR shots and all the 3ds shots were taken on some guys phone over the shoulder of a shaky kid with parkensons holding the 3ds.



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ethomaz on 02 December 2013

A start...



ethomaz on 02 December 2013

People on GAF are choosing 720p to play KI and DR3... the image is way better without the upscaler.

A hint for Xbone's owners... set the Xbone to output 720p for these games while MS didn't fix that.