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selnor1983 on 03 December 2013
SvennoJ said:
selnor1983 said:
SvennoJ said:
 

Maybe you're just not seeing it or don't want to see it. Otherwise you can help out the people at AVForums and AVSForums that are having problems with their calibrated displays.

I'm just annoyed that I've had my TV settings calibrated (using settings from HDTV Test I believe), and now along comes XB1 with its HDMI passthrough, which crushes blacks and degrades the picture.

I knew Star Trek: Into Darkness* lacked its usual quality when I watched it via XB1's Blu Ray player.
Between this and the HDMI passthrough, the black levels on this console are screwed up.

My TV simply has Full, limited or auto - Unlike Samsungs who use HDMI black level, low / normal.
TV - Limited Xbone - Limited = Crushed Blacks
TV - Full Xbone - Full = Crushed Blacks
Also tried variants of the above, with no better image. My TV is configured correctly, and everything was spot on with My WIIU and PS3.

Anyway it's good the XBox One introduced you to TV calibration as it seems you have enjoyed washed out TV for the past 7 years. Maybe because you had the tv's brightness up to compensate for the gamma adjustment on the 360?

Calibrate HDTV settings included -> big plus.
Altering contrast and gamma on console -> huge NO.

Using HDTV calibration via XBox One is nothing more then a patch trying to undo a basic flaw.

So he hasnt run the Xbox One HDTV set up for the input his HDTV is accepting his Xbox One signal. He clearly says he used the settings from another source. My freind paid to have his HDTV set up proffessionally. But since then has realsied every device gives a different output. His recent Sony Bluray Player he bought for £400 ( Not a cheap Bluray player these days ) changed his picture again. You should set up your TV for each device and input. Hance why all TVs now can save settings for each input.

As I only have 1 input now to my TV ( The Xbox One ) I made sure to set it up via Xbox One exactly as instructed. I know what crushed blacks look like. I do not have that on my Xbox One at 1080p. My Killer Instinct does not look like either picture in the OP.

Ive posted a video about how my Sky runs perfect in the UK with no juddering. So Im not lying about my results. I will attempt to try and capture my Killer Instinct at 1080p. Thats harder though, as it has to be camera. Because card capture wont work, as it would need my TV settings also. Microsoft have included terminology for all makes of TV in their set up.

I've calibrated my displays and all devices except XBox 360 look great. Since it's all going through an amp I only use one HDMI input on the tv so I have to change settings when I use the 360. Seems XBox One has the same problem, still the odd one out. I connected my ps4 and did a blu-ray calibration test and it was all perfect right out of the box, same settings again as for TV and other consoles. It's very easy to see on my projector since it has it's own signal analysis tools built in. Saying every device needs it's own settings is simply not true.

Maybe you don't care as much about shadow detail, or are playing with ambient light. I'm annoyed with the blue light on the ps4 controller interfering with the blacks on the projector screen. It's currently winter so I stick it under a blanket during dark scenes, I hope there will be an option to turn it off before summer, or a piece of tape will do.

Anyway I'll trust the people that dwell on AV sites and calibrate using all kinds of tools instead of taking your word for it. I'll wait for a fix or update to turn the contrast, gamma adjustments and scaling sharpening filter off console side.


There is a work around to get 50hz to work on XBox One, maybe you got that working.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/50hz-fix-201311263472.htm

Here are the precise instructions. First, set your Xbox One to auto-detect HDMI (under Display settings). Then, toggle the resolution from 1080p to 720p (or vice versa), which should trigger a prompt window asking if the screen is displaying correctly, and if you want to keep the new resolution. Select “No” before the 15 seconds is up. This seems to trick the Xbox One into thinking that the TV is not compatible with 60Hz signal, and voila! 50Hz output. Depending on your television set, you may need several attempts to succeed – the good chaps over at CVG have verified that this unofficial fix works too.

Drawback is that games are now also in 50hz.

I can't say I really notice the 50hz to 60hz judder though, I watch plenty BBC made content over here which should have the same problem theoretically. Maybe tv broadcasters do something extra to combat the problem?
I do notice the judder watching movies on TV or digital downloads, 24 to 60 looks awful during pans.

No idea whyI hve no issueswith judder. I didn do anything. Justplugged it in and its fine.

Well  Im telling you I 100% do not have crushed blacks. And I have my One in 1080p. I set up my TV to my Xbox One. If I plug in my mates PS4 I have to use a different input and change the settings. Otherwise the PS4 colours are all wrong. 

But yeah even my LG TV booklet says to set for each specific input device. And save accordingly.



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SvennoJ on 03 December 2013
selnor1983 said:

No idea whyI hve no issueswith judder. I didn do anything. Justplugged it in and its fine.

Well  Im telling you I 100% do not have crushed blacks. And I have my One in 1080p. I set up my TV to my Xbox One. If I plug in my mates PS4 I have to use a different input and change the settings. Otherwise the PS4 colours are all wrong. 

But yeah even my LG TV booklet says to set for each specific input device. And save accordingly.

Well we can at least agree that the output is vastly different between the two systems.
Then it's just a matter of perspective of which one is wrong. Since my ps4 seems to be compatible with ps3, WiiU, PC and cable box, it's XBox that's going against the norm. (All HDMI devices work fine together, but yes my component dvd player needs it's own settings, hence I avoid using component to HDMI conversion)



Xenostar on 05 December 2013
globalisateur said:
Xenostar said:
selnor1983 said:
SvennoJ said:
selnor1983 said:
The bottom pictures aree all wrong in colour. Theirs no black. The top images are far better. And have more vibrant colour depth. The bottom pics are washed out. My console looks like the top.I have setting on 36 bit colour (factory is 24 ) and RGB colour to full range ( factory set to half ) also 1080p. Best pictuure. Rich colour and not washed out.

They're only all wrong in color if you have not properly calibrated your tv. Judging them on a full rgb pc screen is not a good comparison either.

The issue is that the Xbox One alters the image to make it 'pop' on pc screens. However by doing so it removes detail from the image, both in the lower black and upper white range. Apart from the loss of detail it's also the odd one out again. If you calibrate your tv so the xbox one looks nice, everything else will look washed out. If you calibrate your tv for movie viewing (DVD or Blu-ray calibration) the Xbox One output will be too dark and oversaturated.

It was the same with 360. PS3, TV, DVD, could all share the same settings for correct brighness and contrast range with proper shadow detail, the 360 was too dark on the same settings. Set it right for 360 -> PS3, DVD, TV all look washed out. Now with Xbox One it seems they've only made it worse.

The fact that there is such a huge difference between 720p and upscaled 1080p output should raise plenty of red flags. Calibration should happen on the display side, the console only needs to send the complete unaltered data over.

I hope they add options to disable all the image 'enhancements' in a patch. No sharpness filter and gamma adjustment please.

Everything goes through my Xbox One. TV, Games, Bluray, Tablet screen on large screen. Etc. The Xbo One is my media hub. Use the in built HDTV set up program on Xbox One. It sets all the settings with you. And wallah. Now my Sky TV looks better through The One than direct. It upscales to 1080p my 720p Sky image. Also the colours are WAY better through The One than direct to TV.

I am extremely happy with my 1080p output image. Looks far better than in 720p. It makes Ryse look more realsitic than it already did.

Thats funny because Ryse doesnt use it, Crytek wrote there own software upscaler, presumably they thought it was bad also, to go to this effort. 


Are you sure about that bolded part? Because it would be easier for them to just using the hardware upscaler of the AMD GPU (the same as the PS4).

If I understood properly, there are 2 hardware scalers in the X1. The one in the GPU similar to all GCN AMD cards (a very good upscaler until proven otherwise) and one added by Microsoft architects which does sharpen the image and maybe has others features.

The retail BF4 of X1 does not anymore sharpen the image compared to the review build. I very much doubt that Dice upscales the image via software, it would be too expensive on an already demanding game, they must be using the hardware GPU AMD standard free scaler.

The same for Ryse, why use CPU or GPU ressources, losing 1 or 2 fps when you have a free hardware scaler in the GPU?

Yup very sure, feel free to put some effort in and google it.