That's strange as my partner always tells me the opposite!

Judging by some of these screens and no mention of $100 DLC cars in US game reviews, I'd say Forza is the one that got an easy ride.

I don't understand why people are surprised by the downgrade? Can't any of you remember the TGS 2013? Some Japanese journalists clearly pointed out the visual downgrades? It was blamed on wrongly calibrated screens? The writing was on the wall!

i remember they ever said let the Power of the Cloud do the job for AI so that the hardware can focus more on the graphics and this is what they end up with...??

New consoles launch. Same old arguments.

First of all, that was no slight downgrade.  That's a relatively large downgrade.  Textures are worse, lighting is worse, the background is worse, and to top it off, they added more motion blur to try and cover it up.  Secondly, yes it is a whole other ballpark, since they puposely misled people to believe that what they were playing at E3 is what the game would actually look like.  It's not like they just had a target vid that aimed too high, then had to take flack when the first demo came out.  They actually took the time and effort to make a playable demo of Forza 5 on a PC and passed it off as Xbox One gameplay.  AND they still continue to run that footage in the ads as if that's what the game looks like.  That's horribly dishonest.

On a side note, no Ryse didn't come out better than the E3 build, as that was another game that received a downgrade. 

Crazy is too see people that were attacking PS4 thread after thread, posting victimizing threads about Sony fans being here complaining that Sony fans are badmouthing a game they like and saying they weren't in the threads about PS4 failure... maybe they started by themselves? Or was sony fans that are accussed of never uping negative threads that put them??

I see crazy people.

Say what ever you think. I dont care. Ive played both. Forza 5's physics are way better. Forza 4 is the same. Its rubbish in comparison. Theres calcculations the old consoles simply cant do due to massively outdated hardware. 

Its all good. While you fight over last gen physics I'll just enjoy my xbox one. Best electronic device Ive  ever bought. 

Right Im off to bed. Just had a 5 hour sesion wit Killer Instinct and 6 mates. Was bloody awesome.Best fighter party since Soul Calibur 2. 

Night all.

They damn sure are trying to. Don't want anyone to have fun with a system they obviously don't care for.Like ive said before some of these guys are getting paid to do this. Oh no the trees lol man. What's worse is I really don't think they know they are doing it. Sixth Sense kind of thing.

That's simply false..Forza is not even a  sim compared to GT let alone PC sims.... Saying other games physics is rubbish, is well, about as real as the tooth fairy. Last gen physics are still vastly superior to forza's. No arguing, simple fact. I can drive many different cars in forza and they handle identical..... Every car in GT  has its own unique handling, it's why car sim fans flock to GT and not forza.

Your post on any racing or sim forum would be laughed off the internet.