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forevercloud3000 on 18 November 2013
Licence said:
forevercloud3000 said:
Licence said:

2-3 year period. What is the failure rate for these after 3 days?

On Amazon.com right now, the two highest voted reviews on the PS4 are both about broken consoles. There are hundreds of reviews about this issue. Yes, we expect a few lemons in the apple bowl, but I think you are being disingeneous if you think the PS4 failure rate is normal and to be expected within existing norms.

and you believe the number of reviews on Amazon because?

How are their user reviews any different then the User Reviews on Metacritic? They are full of people trying to pass an agenda. Some of them are probably true but that not indicative of a mass problem. If you want to take that anecdotal evidence as gospel then the fact that no one has complained to my store yet about failures should mean that they are non existent.


Oh, you expect a fair number of unfair reviews. But 100's? That seems to me like ignoring the elephant in the room.

Can you point to another electronics product on Amazon that has 100's of defective reviews, yet the general consensus is that the product is fine?


You under estimate the power of fanboy driven hatred. There are hundreds of User reviews on every site, only a few of them are real thought out reviews usually. Go see Metacritic URs which give Halo's and Uncharted's a 0/10. Mass user reviews are pretty unreliable.

also take note of MS's well versed Shill campaigns that they are famous for using. They hire hundreds of people to troll the internet just for this purpose....

http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/microsoft-shills-aka-te-secrets/

http://slated.org/the_munchkins_are_back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIRNAQseuec

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/despicable-practices-by-microsoft-exposed-fud-ms-s-30834731/



      

      

      

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jlmurph2 on 18 November 2013
forevercloud3000 said:

 

http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pop/lm_failureRates.html

according to this site the avg electronic failure rate is 15% in a 2-3yr period

IPad 2 = 9.8%

iPhone 5 = 5%+

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-360-failure-rate-237-ps3-10-wii-27-study/1100-6216691/

PS3 = 10%

Wii = 2.7%

http://consumerist.com/2009/08/17/xbox-360-failure-rate-is-542-percent-game-informer-finds/

Xbox360 = 54%, but now down to about 15% depending on who you talk to.

And then it makes even less sense considering that Squaretrade is the consistent survey for each one of these rates and then you use a game informer survey for the Xbox 360 rate. Why not stay consistent with Squaretrade?



orniletter on 18 November 2013

I have seen FAR more Sony fans jumping down someone´s throat who DARES to mention the reports of dead PS4s than actual Nintendo/MS fans who gloat about it.



forevercloud3000 on 18 November 2013
jlmurph2 said:
forevercloud3000 said:
Licence said:
forevercloud3000 said:
Licence said:
forevercloud3000 said:
Licence said:

I just don't think that because MS (and Nintendo) has been guilty of this, that Sony should somehow be off the hook. 

We should not accept sub-par products. We should expect quality. If the multi-billion companies we give our hard-earned cash to do not deliver on this, they need to be held accountable. Stop the apologetics, stop the rationalizations - Sony deserves the bad publicity it is getting.


But that is just it, its not some sub-par product. The system is going through stereotypical yield issues at it's launch. Some are trying to inflate the numbers to give them a worse appearance than they actually are.

Like the article describes, this is no way the second coming of RROD yet. Reading some of these articles tho you would think it was.

This is exactly the type of apologetic behaviour that I think is simply unacceptable. There is no such thing as "stereotypical yield issues at at's launch" unless we come to accept these things as somehow normal and to be expected.

The PS4 is a closed eco-system. There is no excuse for it not to work perfectly under normal conditions. What we are seeing here is Sony simply allowing a sub-quality product to be shipped in order to meet Christmas deadlines. Nobody should be OK with this.

yield issues are an unavoidable occurance when electronics go into production. This means that no matter how careful they could be, error is going to happen.  That is why they are seen as normal. Its mostly about trying to keep the numbers of these issue as low as possible. This situation right here......is pretty damn low. 

Its a lot like how the food industry works. All of our food has small traces of contaminants like rat feces or insects. Its not a question of does it have or doesn't, they all do. Its a question of "how much". There is no reasonable/realistic way from stopping it entirely.

Why this is being expected of Sony, god only knows...


Are they that low though? Do we have comparative numbers with other electronics, like say the IPad 5?

http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pop/lm_failureRates.html

according to this site the avg electronic failure rate is 15% in a 2-3yr period

IPad 2 = 9.8%

iPhone 5 = 5%+

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-360-failure-rate-237-ps3-10-wii-27-study/1100-6216691/

PS3 = 10%

Wii = 2.7%

http://consumerist.com/2009/08/17/xbox-360-failure-rate-is-542-percent-game-informer-finds/

Xbox360 = 54%, but now down to about 15% depending on who you talk to.

That's ridiculous. How are you going to take references from a site that specifically says Xbox 360 = 23.7 PS3 = 10 Wii = 2.7 and then use a completely different reference to inflate the rate?? The first article was even posted AFTER the consumerist one.

Because one is talking about how high it was early on, the other speaks of what it became as MS worked more towards fixing the issue. I can post plenty of other articles that put 360 failure rate at 30% plus if you like. I also gave a range with 360 to encompass that. 54-15% over its life span.



      

      

      

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Licence on 18 November 2013
forevercloud3000 said:
Licence said:
forevercloud3000 said:
Licence said:

2-3 year period. What is the failure rate for these after 3 days?

On Amazon.com right now, the two highest voted reviews on the PS4 are both about broken consoles. There are hundreds of reviews about this issue. Yes, we expect a few lemons in the apple bowl, but I think you are being disingeneous if you think the PS4 failure rate is normal and to be expected within existing norms.

and you believe the number of reviews on Amazon because?

How are their user reviews any different then the User Reviews on Metacritic? They are full of people trying to pass an agenda. Some of them are probably true but that not indicative of a mass problem. If you want to take that anecdotal evidence as gospel then the fact that no one has complained to my store yet about failures should mean that they are non existent.


Oh, you expect a fair number of unfair reviews. But 100's? That seems to me like ignoring the elephant in the room.

Can you point to another electronics product on Amazon that has 100's of defective reviews, yet the general consensus is that the product is fine?


You under estimate the power of fanboy driven hatred. There are hundreds of User reviews on every site, only a few of them are real thought out reviews usually. Go see Metacritic URs which give Halo's and Uncharted's a 0/10. Mass user reviews are pretty unreliable.

also take note of MS's well versed Shill campaigns that they are famous for using. They hire hundreds of people to troll the internet just for this purpose....

http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/microsoft-shills-aka-te-secrets/

http://slated.org/the_munchkins_are_back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIRNAQseuec

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/despicable-practices-by-microsoft-exposed-fud-ms-s-30834731/


Amazon has been known to shut down on reviews if they believe that they are malicious or being used for market manipulation. Yet for the PS4 they have done no such thing. 

Although your conspiracy theory is certainly possible, I think it is more probable that the PS4 is really having exceptional technical issues.



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forevercloud3000 on 18 November 2013
jlmurph2 said:

And then it makes even less sense considering that Squaretrade is the consistent survey for each one of these rates and then you use a game informer survey for the Xbox 360 rate. Why not stay consistent with Squaretrade?

I posted sqauretrade for a broader understanding of failure rates among electronics as a whole. The site doesn't give too much insight about the video game consoles tho so I used other sites to demonstrate that.



      

      

      

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jlmurph2 on 18 November 2013
forevercloud3000 said:
jlmurph2 said:

And then it makes even less sense considering that Squaretrade is the consistent survey for each one of these rates and then you use a game informer survey for the Xbox 360 rate. Why not stay consistent with Squaretrade?

I posted sqauretrade for a broader understanding of failure rates among electronics as a whole. The site doesn't give too much insight about the video game consoles tho so I used other sites to demonstrate that.

If you didn't notice, your Gamespot link used Squaretrade as their source



forevercloud3000 on 18 November 2013
Licence said:
forevercloud3000 said:

You under estimate the power of fanboy driven hatred. There are hundreds of User reviews on every site, only a few of them are real thought out reviews usually. Go see Metacritic URs which give Halo's and Uncharted's a 0/10. Mass user reviews are pretty unreliable.

also take note of MS's well versed Shill campaigns that they are famous for using. They hire hundreds of people to troll the internet just for this purpose....

http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/microsoft-shills-aka-te-secrets/

http://slated.org/the_munchkins_are_back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIRNAQseuec

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/despicable-practices-by-microsoft-exposed-fud-ms-s-30834731/


Amazon has been known to shut down on reviews if they believe that they are malicious or being used for market manipulation. Yet for the PS4 they have done no such thing. 

Although your conspiracy theory is certainly possible, I think it is more probable that the PS4 is really having exceptional technical issues.

Its not much a conspiracy theory as much as it is a un kempt secret. There is loads of evidence of it.

and Amazon is one of the main sites that they do this on from what I've found, not much Amazon could do to stop it. They are careful of sounding like legitimate customers with an issue.



      

      

      

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Licence on 18 November 2013
forevercloud3000 said:
Licence said:
forevercloud3000 said:

You under estimate the power of fanboy driven hatred. There are hundreds of User reviews on every site, only a few of them are real thought out reviews usually. Go see Metacritic URs which give Halo's and Uncharted's a 0/10. Mass user reviews are pretty unreliable.

also take note of MS's well versed Shill campaigns that they are famous for using. They hire hundreds of people to troll the internet just for this purpose....

http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/microsoft-shills-aka-te-secrets/

http://slated.org/the_munchkins_are_back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIRNAQseuec

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/despicable-practices-by-microsoft-exposed-fud-ms-s-30834731/


Amazon has been known to shut down on reviews if they believe that they are malicious or being used for market manipulation. Yet for the PS4 they have done no such thing. 

Although your conspiracy theory is certainly possible, I think it is more probable that the PS4 is really having exceptional technical issues.

Its not much a conspiracy theory as much as it is a un kempt secret. There is loads of evidence of it.

and Amazon is one of the main sites that they do this on from what I've found, not much Amazon could do to stop it. They are careful of sounding like legitimate customers with an issue.


OK bud, whatever makes you sleep better. But to get back to the topic of the thread: let's say the PS4 *is* faulty beyond normal expectations, do you not think that Sony would deserve what they get, even if it comes from MS fans? Does it really matter whether the 360 was *also* defective? Shouldn't we expect good quality *regardless* of who is producing it?



Mr Puggsly on 18 November 2013

Its sad that Sony fans are getting so upset about this.

Time will tell how big the fail rate issue really is.



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