I'm on my fourth 360. Microsoft just kept replacing them. What's wrong with that?

But that is just it, its not some sub-par product. The system is going through stereotypical yield issues at it's launch. Some are trying to inflate the numbers to give them a worse appearance than they actually are.

Like the article describes, this is no way the second coming of RROD yet. Reading some of these articles tho you would think it was.

No, I'm saying that Xbox Fans and Nintendo fans have the right to be pissed off at sony fans but they are being mature enough not to shit over an unfortunate incident like we have seen many people do on this very site in the last year.  In this case it isn't an "eye for an eye" but I could understand them being pissed off as well.

If the exact thing happened to WiiU or Xbox One I guarantee that we would have a ton of threads bashing them.  I haven't seen one thread bashing the PS4 yet.  The closest one was the first Amazon thread and that was because the title was a little over the top. I'm talking about this site, not the the rest of the internet.

THAT is a sign of a shoddedly built product. An issue that would not have existed most likely if they didn't rush it to market just to beat Sony to the punch(even after being warned by their own technicians). If it doesn't bother you i suppose that is fine, but over 30%(probably actually closer to 50) failure rate for any other product would have had it taken off the market. Because its MS who has strong ties into just about everything in the US.....it wasn't. And it relatively was swept under the rug by many media outlets. That is why this was a far more news worthy occurance.

This is exactly the type of apologetic behaviour that I think is simply unacceptable. There is no such thing as "stereotypical yield issues at at's launch" unless we come to accept these things as somehow normal and to be expected.

The PS4 is a closed eco-system. There is no excuse for it not to work perfectly under normal conditions. What we are seeing here is Sony simply allowing a sub-quality product to be shipped in order to meet Christmas deadlines. Nobody should be OK with this.

I totally agree that RROD was bad. My comment was focused on "you can't buy that kind of loyalty"

After a couple of days how in the world do you know? If the Xbox guys are fanning the flames like crazy like you keep suggesting aren't you defending it like crazy without knowledge? Or you somehow don't see what you're doing? 

I "know" this because the only pseudo official numbers released (by Yoshida) say its around 1% at best, and I know that that is not out of the ordinary for electronics.

And I personally hate when people spread misinformation with the one intent to steer public opinion.

He's just being logical, sorry. These consoles are the biggest launches in history so the amount of day one bricks is also the highest its ever been. You'll get to see for yourself in 4 days when all the stupid FUD starts spreading about XBONE having issues.

Dunno about that. If the console fails this quickly then an extended warranty seems like a bit of a waste of money because if your PS4 lasts a year I expect you'll be golden. So far all of the reports are of PS4's bricking out of the box, so a genuinely defective unit, not a design fault per se. Whereas RRoD was a design fault with a slow burn. So far very different phenomenon. Not to say PS4 doesn't have a slow burning design fault, I think everyone is holding their breath a bit with the smallness of the unit and the internal power supply and the potential for inadequate heat distribution.

Hopefully people will play a lot of PS4 over the first few months and if there are any problems with overheating this will become apparent well inside the stadnard warranty period. Then we can all wait for a redesign to give us an external power brick, or the inevitable internal redesign to more efficient and less heat producing internals.

Fortunately here in New Zealand we have superior consumer protection laws. If a console fails due to no abuse by the consumer then it is the reasonable lifetime of the product for which the manufacturer is responsible, not just the warranty period. Reasonable lifetime of a console must be at least 4 or 5 years, so that's how long I have before it would be unreasonable for me to expect Sony to dort out a console failure not cause by me spilling coffee on it, or allowing the vents to be clogged up with dust. I think regular clearing of the PS4 vents will be an absolute must. Unlike my PS3 which I remember to do about once a year.