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NintendoSupporter<3 on 13 November 2013

Thx for the update Patch! :D



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Play4Fun on 13 November 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:


The only difference between third parties then and now is that the lot of them were not under Nintendos thumb because of lack of competition giving them a way out. Today they can choose who they work with based on demand, console power, etc. There are many more factors these days.

Last time I checked, GC had the power, and it still didn't have hot support.

But yes, you're right, there's not high demand for many of the kind of games 3rd parties make these days on Nintendo's consoles.



g911turbo on 13 November 2013

I plan to buy a Wii U once Walmart offers me a giftcard on one of the new bundles. But I haven't seen one in their black friday ad. Bummer.



softcoregamer82 on 13 November 2013
reggin_bolas said:
I love how you amateurs and keyboard warriors reject a guy who is ten times more successful and gets paid six figures for what you do on your spare time.

If he lost credibility "years ago" how come he's still a paid analyst? I've watched a few of his shows and he is definitely not some hack seer with no insight into the industry what so ever. His Wii U projections are based on current data which is extremely plausible.

No one can perfectly predict the future, the Wii U could very well turn things around but so far there is not a single thing to suggest it will.

Casuals aren't buying it because of poor marketing, lack of novelty, necessity (they have a Wii, why should they buy a Wii U)
Core consumers like myself aren't buying it because it haz no gaemz, weak graphics, and the controller is uncomfortable and awkward to use.

The Wii U is an abject failure, and that's the bottom line as of the present. .

How come he's a paid analyst?  I don't know.  How come Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly are paid political commentators, when they have nothing intelligent to say?  How come Dick Morris is a paid pundit, when he predicted that Mitt Romney would win in a massive landslide among other insane predictions?

Furthermore, how were Pach's predictions that the Vita would outsell the 3DS, that the PSP would outsell the DS, and that the Wii, DS, and 3DS would all fail?  See, if he's right that the Wii U will fail, it's only because he bets against Nintendo EVERY time, and a blind squirrel finally found his acorn.  It's not because of his abilities as a soothsayer, which are poor to pathetic.  And even furthermore, if he's an "analyst" shouldn't he be somewhat objective, instead of predicting failure and having it out for one company despite the fact that this company is generally very successful?



foxtail on 13 November 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Play4Fun said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
 


Thats bullshit. Subtract third party sales from Nintendos previous generation before they lost them (SNES vs N64 or even GC) and you have the truer number to what Nintendo would get if they had proper third party added to their ranks. Essentially they will sell half or a little more than half of what they could've gained (roughly 35 to 40 million more than they currently have as a prime first party.). Its always been up to Nintendo because they put themselves in that position. You can act like its a position they don't deserve, but it truly is.

3rd parties from back then are very different from the third parties of today that are all about the West's pursuit of cinematic experiences and that just jives more with Sony and MS' output.

 And when I look at the software sales of SNES to GC/N64/Wii, I see mostly Nintendo dominating the lists with third party games here and there, not so different from back then, except Western style games are now the core of the industry.

They've made alot of mistakes, like losing Final Fantasy, but I, for one, don't see it as a bad thing that they haven't largely changed their software philosophy to suit Western ideals so they can pull in third parties because by now I think it's obvious hardware power isn't what's stopping them from getting the same support as MS and Sony.

Like I've said many times before, what they need to focus on is putting out first party games, collaborating with third parties for exclusives like Bayonetta/ SMT x FE/Lego City, keep making their platforms attractive for indies, market their products well and get whatever third party multiplats they can.


The only difference between third parties then and now is that the lot of them were not under Nintendos thumb because of lack of competition giving them a way out. Today they can choose who they work with based on demand, console power, etc. There are many more factors these days.

There's a lot of differences from the PSX/PS2(N64/GC) era to now concerning 3rd parties:

  • The rise of importance of Western developers and their software technology 
  • Japanese companies showing less leadership in the world market outside a few
  • The consolidation and mergers of 3rd party companies worldwide creating a few big players
  • The steep rise in budgets for games making it favorable to have multi-platform releases
  • Less exotic hardware, with a more familiar architecture used by all 3 future consoles
  • Easier entry in the market for small developers with downloadable indie games


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Euphoria14 on 13 November 2013
aikohualda said:
Euphoria14 said:
softcoregamer82 said:
He said the DS, 3DS, and Wii would fail as well. In fact, he said the Vita is dead, so fans of Sony and Nintendo should join together in hating him. He's right about things 10 percent of the time, and his only strength is trolling fans.

I think he actually said originally that the Vita would be dead on arrival.


i remember him saying vita will steal 3ds spotlight... and where is vita now?

 


Seems my link is older. This is back when he considered it the PSP2.

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/eoxus0/pach-attack--episode-142#comments_top



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WagnerPaiva on 13 November 2013

He is right on one thing: any person defending the WiiU that do not own one is a freaking hipocrate, and I am guilty of that crime too, cause I remember defending the freaking thing a while ago and do not have the guts to buy one.



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Mr Khan on 13 November 2013
reggin_bolas said:
I love how you amateurs and keyboard warriors reject a guy who is ten times more successful and gets paid six figures for what you do on your spare time.

If he lost credibility "years ago" how come he's still a paid analyst? I've watched a few of his shows and he is definitely not some hack seer with no insight into the industry what so ever. His Wii U projections are based on current data which is extremely plausible.

No one can perfectly predict the future, the Wii U could very well turn things around but so far there is not a single thing to suggest it will.

Casuals aren't buying it because of poor marketing, lack of novelty, necessity (they have a Wii, why should they buy a Wii U)
Core consumers like myself aren't buying it because it haz no gaemz, weak graphics, and the controller is uncomfortable and awkward to use.

The Wii U is an abject failure, and that's the bottom line as of the present. .

Market analysts aren't soothsayers, if you've ever followed the stock market, their analysis are really just wishful thinking to try and twist the market to the advantage of whatever companies they represent. He makes money because he makes other people money, not because of any special powers of insight.

(not to insult his intelligence, per se, but what he does is professional armchair analysis. It's the same research we can do if we bother to do it).



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Nem on 13 November 2013

I am finally beggining to understand Pachter. His problem is when companies dont act the way he predicts.

Nintendo is the biggest offender so he makes whatever he can to damage their image and force them to act the way he predicts. He showed this same kind of behaviour recently on the bonus round criticising Sony heavily for continuing to support the Vita.
He doesnt care about the companies image or business pratices that have an impact long term. He only cares about making his predictions become true because thats what he lives of.



mii-gamer on 13 November 2013

tagged, will bump this later for the lols