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Should Nintendo have a Trophy/ Achievement system?

Hell Yeah! 116 27.36%
 
Mabye 19 4.48%
 
Good to have, but I really don't care 161 37.97%
 
Nah 123 29.01%
 
Total:419
Ryudo on 09 November 2013
curl-6 said:
KylieDog said:
curl-6 said:
KylieDog said:



You are wrong because your opinion of trophies is wrong, there are thousands of people who like collecting trophies that prove you wrong, and you're using that as a basis to form your view. 

So you're wrong, so you don't.

Someone else having a different opinion to mine does not in any way prove me wrong.

Yes it does, if your opinion goes against a fact.  If your opinion is that the Moon is made of cheese then you are wrong.  Just like your opinion of what trophies are to gamers is wrong.

Trophies being more to gamers than 'arbitrary rewards' is a fact, so any opinion you got based on them just being that is wrong.

It is not fact. Gamers have different opinions of trophies. There is no right or wrong.

Look at his PSN gamer card. It's obvious he doesn't play games because he likes and enjoys them but like a child who needs instant gratification 24/7



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curl-6 on 09 November 2013
Ryudo said:
curl-6 said:

It is not fact. Gamers have different opinions of trophies. There is no right or wrong.

Look at his PSN gamer card. It's obvious he doesn't play games because he likes and enjoys them but like a child who needs instant gratification 24/7

I've never seen him post anything that's not miserable and mean-spirited, so he doesn't strike me as a very happy person.



curl-6 on 09 November 2013
KylieDog said:
curl-6 said:

It is not fact. Gamers have different opinions of trophies. There is no right or wrong.


This sentance here proves you're wrong, since you basing your opinion the belief trophies are arbitrary rewards only.  Gamers feel differently about them.

"Gamers" do not have a fixed universal opinion on trophies. Different gamers feel differently about them.



orniletter on 09 November 2013
Mnementh said:
curl-6 said:
I don't want trophies/achievements, they're a distracting, worthless gimmick.

So you hated them in Xenoblade Chronicles and Super Smash Bros. Brawl?


I think what worked in Xenoblade´s favour is that it gave you a real reward in the form of experience points on top.



curl-6 on 09 November 2013
KylieDog said:
curl-6 said:
KylieDog said:


This sentance here proves you're wrong, since you basing your opinion the belief trophies are arbitrary rewards only.  Gamers feel differently about them.

"Gamers" do not have a fixed universal opinion on trophies. Different gamers feel differently about them.


Hence you are wrong.  You said "I play games because the process of doing so is fun. If I'm not having fun, I stop playing. No arbitrary rewards are necessary." in reply to my pokemon example, an implication that trophies are not part of having fun.  Since you claimed you understood my pokemon example and stated "I understand your point, it's just wrong."  directly before "I play games..."  that means you had to think my pokemon example was saying trophies are fun, and you said I was wrong, effectively saying they are not fun. 


You are now contradicting yourself, as you have now said gamers have different opinions of trophies (which includes being fun) where as originally your claim was they were only 'arbitrary rewards' and not fun.

So you were wrong, and have now accidently admitted it in an indirect way.


There is no contradiction. Obviously what I post is my own opinion. I do not claim it as any kind of gospel truth. What is not fun to me is obviously fun to some others, and what is wrong to me may be right to you. But popular opinion does not equal any kind of objective truth, which you of all people should appreciate given your distaste or the incredibly popular Call of Duty.



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DevilRising on 09 November 2013

Trophies/achievements is a neat little extra, something to strive for if you've done everything else in a game. But I could honestly give two shits whether a game has that feature or not, and it holds zero bearing for me on whether or not I want a game or play a system.



spurgeonnintendoryan on 09 November 2013

I understand. It like the games in the past. High scores, getting rewards for doing well and putting in extra work. You like getting something for really putting time into a game.
I would rather have unlockables for Nintendo games. I do not care about fake trophies. Or maybe just an area where you can go on both 3DS and wii U that shows the top gamers of certain games. who beat a level the fastest, who got more points, etc.


but they definitely need something. We like Nintendo, but do not let that fool you, we want what others have as well. Whether it be third party games or in this case, trophies.



fps_d0minat0r on 09 November 2013
orniletter said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
orniletter said:
I´m legitimately sorry for you.

You aren´t supposed to play a game to get an artificial reward (those trophies/points do nothing, you can only show them as a substitute for ....let´s just call it eSchlong)

Trophies can be a nice way to see everything a developer wants you to see.

Playing games or rather not buying any games because the game doesn´t pat you on the back and says " You ARE A GOOD BOY!"...is pretty much against the reason video games exist.

Do you like watching films or reading books? Does it bother you that there aren´t any flashing signs that say "Page 21...done !" and "reward" you with 10 thingamajigs for your bookworm account to show of ?


you dont understand do you?

trophy hunters dont see trophies as a pat on the back. They see trophy hunting as a game itself with the biggest leaderboard ever. the pat on the back is when you have more trophies than your friend.

But trophy hunters (or at the very least the extreme ones) play games that they don´t enjoy (among others) to get their random number higher than the random number of guy-on-the-Internet#5541.

It can be an addiction for some, like gambling.

Not buying a game because you can´t hunt for a made up metric is wrong and I stand by that.


except their not playing the actual game....their playing 'trophy hunting' which is the game.



orniletter on 09 November 2013
fps_d0minat0r said:


except their not playing the actual game....their playing 'trophy hunting' which is the game.


Do you read a lot of books and watch many movies just to be able to tell your friends what a hardcore bookworm/movie-fanatic you are despite not actually liking them ?

 

Or are you unable to enjoy books and movies because you aren´t increasing some random number attached to your virtual-persona ?



fps_d0minat0r on 09 November 2013
orniletter said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
 


except their not playing the actual game....their playing 'trophy hunting' which is the game.


Do you read a lot of books and watch many movies just to be able to tell your friends what a hardcore bookworm/movie-fanatic you are despite not actually liking them ?

 

Or are you unable to enjoy books and movies because you aren´t increasing some random number attached to your virtual-persona ?

but why would anyone decide they dont like a movie before they have seen it?

in movies you can say you have seen them even if you havent. You cant do that with trophies, because they have to be unlocked by actions which take time and/or skill. for some, trophy hunting is a racing game where regardless of the dificulty whoever has the most wins. for some its a game of skill and they like to compare their completion rates and average platinum difficulties (like in the vgchartz trophy league).

theres people who have platinum'd hannah montana (not me!) but they dont go boasting about it. its just something that adds to the statistics.