Then why are all three new consoles using off the shelf PC graphics cards then ? We all know that AMD doesn't have enough money to keep developing special GPU architectures LOL. Something tells me that you don't go to PC specific sites! I just go there to check out some news and reviews.

Your the one bringing out the jail card here LOL. I obviously acknowledged that the WII U can obtain better graphics. Why don't you go back a few pages and realize that. That "I game on PC" statement made you look mad suspect son LMAO. You still doin't get what I mean by that statement!

No I merely supported the that sentiment. Know the difference between "likely" and "concrete". I vouched for the former. 

There's no excuse for the WII U! The WII U became very close to a PC and a PC specifically depends on it's GPU to do the work for them in games just as the WII U is mostly dependent on it's GPU to do the same. The fact that it had to be specially optimized to take advantage of the newer architecture just goes to show you. A $100 dollar card at LAUNCH such as the hd 5670 is supposed to rape last gen consoles in terms of performance but apparently developers are having issues providing some clear advantage as shown in games like COD and batman. Especially in a game like call of duty! 

The one here scared is you. I can come to terms that the WII U may be weaker than the ps360 in some ways but as for you that's the different story. As for the rest, your copping out extremely hard LOL. Damage controlling about those ports LOLOL. You just showed your true intent here. The WII U shouldn't even have an issue if it was truly more powerful! Your damage controlling sounds something of that an apologist. The PS4 and X1 don't have issues outing their last gen counterparts so why should the WII U have any issues of doing it ? (You'll probably offer more damage controlling on this one.)

He always said the Wii U had the advantage in RAM, and overall efficiency. So? At the end of the day the Wii U is closer to current gen than it is next, and it's alot closer to current, which was his initial point, which you tried arguing and still are. 

Oh dear you've shot yourself here, the original Xbox used off the shelf parts it's close to a PC right? The GPUs in all three consoles are custom, MS/Sony were supplied with a base GPU which they both did their own customizations to them hence why XB1 has bottlenecks, Wii U no one knows what it is, the new consoles use a GPGPU type architecture that makes development across platforms easier that's about the only main connection to PC it's so a game can be created on PC then easily ported down, the hardware how ever doesn't work in the same manner as PC it's still the same more efficient console design. You know what else used their GPUs more then their CPUs older consoles but are they close to PCs no.

Now that is funny saying I game on PC means I'm mad and suspect oh that's fantastic if you say so kiddo what ever you want to believe to make youself feel slick, a common tactic by someone whose feathers are ruffled is when they start tripping on their own posts like your earlier replies when you were bringing up Shi'en and CPUs when I made no mention to hardware or how much more powerful anything is, this is further highlight by your consistent "You can't accept blah blah...*Stamps Feet*" replies when truth is the U's power doesn't bother me because most of my gaming is on PC. People who are ruffled also use LOL consistently throughout in their posts thinking it gains them some when truth be told it starts to look like a kid typed the post.

You vouched for the former and went on tilt when I simply high lighted all the speculation is not exactly gospel given how the year has gone, you can harp on about the 5670 til the cows come home but fact is that's just another in a list of GPUs people have brought up in the speculation. You used launch games designed for far different architecture types as a central pillar for your argument, these games ran on versions of engines design for a diffrent mode of running the game, if you're as tech savvy as you're making out to be you should already know this. Anyone with any basic know how on console performance knows launch games never show the full story for one look up some of the 360 launch titles Enchant Arms and such, this is what's calling you out in your intents and your last paragraph highlights what I've been saying. Funny enough I can personally say I have confidence in the U as a next gen console because I personally played games like Bayonetta 2, MK8 and SM3DW at London Comic and Anime Cons when I tried out the next gens as well.

The Wii U is more powerful than the HD twins. It's not really what I'd call a generation above, but it can at least make last gen calibre games (graphical featured wise) run in 1080p when those ran in 720p.

At the very least, it's powerful enough to make Nintendo game look awesome in HD. And that's pretty much all I'm asking for.

Now, if only Nintendo would announce a new Metroid game...

He was wrong. It's as simple as that. Being somewhere between the 360 and PS4 in terms of power isn't 'on par' with the 360...unless you change the meaning of the words 'on par'. The Wii U is around 3-4 times more powerful than the 360, but that doesn't for a second mean that games will be 3-4 times better looking.

We've already seen the PS4 and One struggling to run games at a higher resolution than 720p and the difference between the 360 and the PS4 and One in terms of power is a great deal bigger.

He was wrong. It's as simple as that. Being somewhere between the 360 and PS4 in terms of power isn't 'on par' with the 360...unless you change the meaning of the words 'on par'. The Wii U is around 3-4 times more powerful than the 360, but that doesn't for a second mean that games will be 3-4 times better looking.

We've already seen the PS4 and One struggling to run games at a higher resolution than 720p and the difference between the 360 and the PS4 and One in terms of power is a great deal bigger.