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Captain_Yuri said:
Soundwave said:


Nintendo doesn't like to compete. Not in the way you're describing. Iwata even said full on they're not good at competing (lol, what CEO says that?). 

They like to do things their own way and turn a profit doing so. 

Honestly even in the 90s if you really study Nintendo, most of the competetive "push" (we gotta compete with Sony/Sega!) really came from the US side led by Minoru Arakawa and Howard Lincoln. 

The Japanese side of Nintendo really had no concept of competetion until the Playstation came around, they didn't really have to compete with Sega in Japan because the Mega Drive never was a big thing there. Pretty much all of that era of NOA is retired now (Lincoln, Arakawa, Peter Main, etc. etc.), and Iwata and the Japanese old timers took over control of Nintendo full stop after Yamauchi stepped back. Their mentality is very different from Nintendo of the 90s. 

You can hold your breath for some wonder Nintendo console where they money hat things like Grand Theft Auto and vow to compete tooth and nail with Microsoft and Sony to the bitter end, but I would probably advise you to not pass out waiting for that. It ain't coming and after today there's even less reason. And Nintendo's never given two sh*ts about the press, don't see that changing any time either, which is no big loss since a big chunk of the gaming press is dumb as a rock to begin with. 

Yes, they don't and look where it got them... A "failed" console and a handheld that won't even sell half as much as the DS

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Heres the thing... If they don't try to compete, they will exit the console market period which = a huge loss in revenue and a source of income which I doubt they are willing to give up. They gotten away without competing during the wii/DS days cause those sold like free sex but now, the casuals are gone and the people that buy gaming consoles want to buy a console that has great third party games and if Nintendo doesn't make a third party friendly console and convinse the third parties to develop on their platform, then people will simply not buy their console. Its as simple as that because third party games are popular whether we like it or not. Its hardly even doing much to compete, all they are doing is making a console that is thrid party friendly and paying some big ones like Rockstar to port GTA on their system. Not make it exclusive, just port... And any short comings of graphics and timed exclusives will be nullified by Nintendo's own IPs. It really isn't that hard

And if it ain't coming, then Nintendo will simply exit the console market all together which I doubt they will or they want to so they should make it third party friendly. You are right about one thing, times have changed but they changed because the influence of third parties have gotten so strong and Nintendo needs to adapt to exactly that. And if Nintendo doesn't give a shit about the press, then they better start or else sell significantly less consoles and handhelds each generation


I don't even think there's that many generations left for "dedicated home console" hardware. 

There will be a Playstation 5 and Nintendo NX and probably an XBox 4 ... but after that? I'm not so sure there will even be a phyiscal Playstation 6. 

By then streaming services like PSNow will be well past their baby steps phase and likely able to deliver high end games via the internet. 

Your home tablet will be capable of powering graphics probably even beyond that of the PS4 and beaming them wirelessly to the TV or any display in your house. 

Maybe Nintendo saw the writing on the wall, and are broadening out now. NX doesn't have to carry the company, it would be nice if it did of course, but Nintendo will branch out and ensure that it doesn't have to. So yes even in your "nightmare" scenario where lets it sells "only" 65 million, Nintendo can make plenty of money all around still and millions of kids growing up will still get exposed to Mario, Pikachu, DK, Link, etc. It may just have to start on an iPad is all.

I think Nintendo is kinda going to become more like Marvel and LEGO ... at one time those companies relied strictly basically on the sales of comic books and toy blocks to drive all their business. Today it's one part of their business and they branched their brand into many more mass market ways. I haven't bought a comic book in 10 years, but I'm still a regular customer for Marvel because I go see their movies. 

My nephews know and love the LEGO brand even though they don't actually own any LEGO. They watch the LEGO movie like once a week and they've been to LEGO Land. 



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Soundwave said:


I don't even think there's that many generations left for "dedicated home console" hardware. 

There will be a Playstation 5 and Nintendo NX and probably an XBox 4 ... but after that? I'm not so sure there will even be a phyiscal Playstation 6. 

By then streaming services like PSNow will be well past their baby steps phase and likely able to deliver high end games via the internet. 

Your home tablet will be capable of powering graphics probably even beyond that of the PS4 and beaming them wirelessly to the TV or any display in your house. 

Etc. etc. etc. 

Maybe Nintendo saw the writing on the wall, and are broadening out now. NX doesn't have to carry the company, it would be nice if it did of course, but Nintendo will branch out and ensure that it doesn't have to. So yes even in your "nightmare" scenario where lets it sells "only" 65 million, Nintendo can make plenty of money all around still and millions of kids growing up will still get exposed to Mario, Pikachu, DK, Link, etc. 

While I agree that it might be where we are headed, I dont think we will be there anytime soon. I say we will be ready at minimum 15 years from now which is about 3 console generations give or take. The reason for that is because the current internet plans in NA suck for most people and most people's internet sucks... And along with that, the internet infrastructure in NA suck... Its all made out of copper and in order to essentially get higher speeds, we need fiber instead of copper. Now Fiber is happening but things like this takes decades to do because they have to replace the copper with fiber and its very slow and takes a very long time so that really won't be a thing for at least 15+ years due to the bottleneck being the infrastrusture of the internet in places like NA.

So I say we have at least 3 generations of consoles left after the current before we actually go in that route. And yes, PSNow, Grid and etc are baby steps but these really won't take over for a very long time and in terms of the NX, the last thing Nintendo should want right now is to butcher their console market with this concept.

And yes, Nintendo will make plenty of money but they will make more if they make a proper console! Also speaking of baby steps, their venture into the smartphone market are also baby steps so they need the NX to sell a lot in the chance that their venture into the smartphone market doesn't take off the way they expect it too



                  

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Dem long replies.

A nice argument like this is really cool to read.



KyleeStrutt said:
Dem long replies.

A nice argument like this is really cool to read.


It's not every day you get to see Jizz debate.



Clyde32 said:
KyleeStrutt said:
Dem long replies.

A nice argument like this is really cool to read.


It's not every day you get to see Jizz debate.

Loll yayy! Now people can look at my spelling mistakes! T_T



                  

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Having a powerful console won't help them (N64 was more powerful than the PS1, as GC was more powerful than the PS2);
Having a machine that pleases 3rd parties also won't help them (GC was a easy to develop machine too).
It's not power nor it's 3rd party games that will sell Nintendo systems. It's how gamers perceive it that will make NX succeed or fail.

One of the risks of the Fusion strategy is that less consoles will be sold because Nintendo fans buy both. Yet, that doesn't seem to be the case this gen, with Wii U selling so little.
Still, whatever sales Nintendo loses with Fusion they can regain them and then some more if their SW strategy is there and really appeals to MS and Sony fans.

Two things that hurt Nintendo to this day is the lack of SW and diversity.
Nintendo has enough manpower to handle one machine (including staff to help optimize the games for both consoles). That being, promblem 1 solved;
With the remaining staff, normally allocated to another console, they can use that staff to make bigger projects like there own Halo, CoD, Gears, Uncharted, Gran Turismo, Assassin's Creed, etc.
If they play their cards right not only can they solve problem 2, they can help create a market for 3rd parties and read put up a fight.

Of course, this is all theory, but it's more than possible.
Shooters, racers, sports games, adventure games... non of that is new to Nintendo. They just stopped doing them.



Aussie VGCharterz! Head out to your local EB Games and place your NX pre-order now!!! Apparently you can!

http://nintendoeverything.com/eb-games-australia-already-taking-in-store-pre-orders-for-nintendo-nx/



KyleeStrutt said:
Dem long replies.

A nice argument like this is really cool to read.

Haha Im too lazy to read them all right now.

Anyway I agree with what Jizz replied to me with, Nintendo need to persuade 3rd parties to develop for Nintendo however they can if they want to recover. What they have done with the WiiU is disgracefully poor. They in no way gave devs a reason to develop for it. Underpowered, underpreforming and unconventional. If you dont have games like Minecraft, CoD and GTA you are basically irrelavant in the west. Nintendo cant survive making Nintendo boxes, especially poor Nintendo boxes like WiiU.
Handhelds are clearly on a massive decline, thats obviously why Nintendo are making a push into the mobile market. Whether thats to bring attention to their handhelds or to slowly move to making AAA mobile games is rather irrelavant.



SJReiter said:
Aussie VGCharterz! Head out to your local EB Games and place your NX pre-order now!!! Apparently you can!

http://nintendoeverything.com/eb-games-australia-already-taking-in-store-pre-orders-for-nintendo-nx/

Haha typical fucking EB Games Aus. They even took preorders for Zelda WiiU as early as the first showing of the tech demo.