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@ TWRoD

Grow up, we are only trying to make VGchartz more accurate, no need for cheapshot comments.  The articles I read so far did not provide 360 LTD related data, just PS3 2007 related LTD data.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

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RolStoppable said:
 

"Laut GfK hat Sony von März bis Dezember 2007 insgesamt 309.000 PS3 verkauft. Das sei mehr als doppelt so viel wie Microsoft mit der Xbox 360 im gesamten Vorjahr geschafft hat."

This means that the PS3 sold more than double the units in 2007 than the 360 sold in the year 2006. EDIT: Or maybe it means what the 360 sold in 2007. After checking the numbers it really doesn't make much of a difference, 2006 and 2007 were pretty close for 360 anyway.

 

Cebit (German fair company) translates it as follows:

"This is more than twice as many units as Microsoft sold of the Xbox 360 in all of 2007, said the report."

PS3 sales are likely above 400K, considering Sony's statement (they have full and latest paid for GfK data) the 360 is likely less than LTD PS3 sales data. 



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

MikeB said:
RolStoppable said:
 

"Laut GfK hat Sony von März bis Dezember 2007 insgesamt 309.000 PS3 verkauft. Das sei mehr als doppelt so viel wie Microsoft mit der Xbox 360 im gesamten Vorjahr geschafft hat."

This means that the PS3 sold more than double the units in 2007 than the 360 sold in the year 2006. EDIT: Or maybe it means what the 360 sold in 2007. After checking the numbers it really doesn't make much of a difference, 2006 and 2007 were pretty close for 360 anyway.

 

Cebit (German fair company) translates it as follows:

"This is more than twice as many units as Microsoft sold of the Xbox 360 in all of 2007, said the report."

PS3 sales are likely above 400K, considering Sony's statement (they have full and latest paid for GfK data) the 360 is likely less than LTD PS3 sales data.


Go here for GfKs PS3 and 360 numbers.... the PS3 has not yet sold more than 360, though it won't be long... so Sony were not, as has always been proved, stating anything from GfK.

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=16835

 

As I have already said, there are only two things it could be, all three (all five really) are spot on (well ok 3.8% higher) or all three are 20% low...... there is no source but Sony stating that the PS3 LTD is higher than 360s, I suspect Sony were using their own retail figures against sales of 360.

 

And sorry I was not directing it specifically at you, it just seems to me that everyone is complaining PS3 is now undertracked because of the GfK 80% thing, yet that applies to all three consoles. 



@ TWRoO

The linked article within that post doesn't provide 360 LTD data, but the article does again state (de.internet.com):

"Die GfK deckt mit ihren Zahlen zum Konsolenmarkt gut 80 Prozent aller Vertriebskanäle ab. Die tatsächlichen Verkäufe liegen daher etwas höher. "



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

Well I cannot read German, but it seems to again tell us about the 80% thing... so like I have said all we can guess is that all three are right, or all three are low by the same percentage.

The PS3 is still behind the 360 LTD, though it will likely pass it in the Summer, and the Wii is more than double either of them.



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There are 2 problems here:

1. The newspaper "Euro am Sonntag", which broke out the GfK numbers, made a mistake. They wrote that the numbers represent only 80 % of real sales. The journalist didn't understand how it works.

2. That article did not report lifetime sales. They stated 2007 sales and Christmas sales. I hope ioi didn't wind down 360 and Wii sales too far? Not sure about that.



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@reverie.

I cannot find an exact link to the newspaper but this http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=16835
is definately LTD (end 2007)sales for all three
which are:
Wii - 728,000
360 - 384,000
PS3 - 309,000

This http://www.cebit.de/newsanzeige_e?news=32367&tag=1202761651&source=/news7days
is the link Mike added earlier, which tells us Nintendo sold 675,000 for the year of 2007, so 728,000 when adding in December of 2006 seems pretty good to me.



Issun said:

Do not forget that GfK covers only 80 % of retailers, so how much is 100 % then? I will tell you, 100 % would be 386,250. Maybe I am wrong,..

No it would not and Yes you are wrong. The reason is very simple and most people here do not seem to grasp how GfK works. GfK tracks 80% of all retailers and fortunately these 80% include _all_ the major retailers in Germany. These major retailers account for roughly 95% of all sales, so therefore there is no need for GfK to go after the remaining 20% retailers ("Joe's computer shop", "Jack's used car and computers"). Like it or not, The numbers on VGC now are much closer to reality than they were before.

 



^aha, that explains why ioi is 3.8% higher for all consoles.



**this just in**

all sales sites begin posting tracked data without extrapolation.
updated VGChartz numbers: Wii - 1.05M, 360 - 0.84M, ps3 - 0.48M

science still unable to explain how halo 3 sold over 7M units.