| NolSinkler said:
Point of clarification: 'white people', to me, refers very much so to a cultural identity, and not so much to skin color. Yes, white people are white, but it isn't so much the skin color that is to be preserved, as it is the shared history, culture, institutions, ideas, as so on. Let me make this clear: if this culture had been created by black people, and I was black, then I'd be making it this point about black people. I don't believe that a white person's skin color make white people inherently superior to any other group of people. Furthermore, no, I don't believe that Western culture is superior to other cultures, or that Western history is superior to the history of other cultures (not by a longshot), or that white people's institutions are inherently better than those of other cultures. But I do think that we a valuable component of any world. Our institutions are important and have obviously exerted a powerful influence worldwide. And our shared culture, history, the ideas that white people have passed on from generation to generation - these are specific to us. Other people cannot be made to share in this identity at will. Consequently, if it is to be passed on, we must procreate. I think that any group of people need to do their best to preserve their identity. Now I've been called a racist by many in this conversation. I can understand why you'd say that. But in reality, distinguishing between ethnic groups is not racism - this is, of course, the premise of affirmative action programs. In reality, it is true that certain groups of people share certain needs. Black Americans are impoverished compared with the average White American. Actions are taken. This is good, this is appropriate, let us make a more equitable society. And White Americans have needs too. This is true regardless of historical white privelege, of historical white power, of the fact that white people are a majority in this country right now. Do white people need to become the minority in all of their own countries in order to for us to concern ourselves? I feel that it is best to apply medicine at the earliest stage of a sickness, instead of waiting for patient to near death. |
This post shows the three holes in your argument IMO.
1. You say you aren't concerned with the white race, but with the culture attributed to the white race. You make a distinction between "white race" and "white culture". That's fine. But then you go on to say that "white culture" is diminishing and that it's a problem. Your evidence of this?: A diminishing white race. So you're contradicting yourself. No particular culture can only be adopted by a particular race, but it seems that's what you're implying, even though you distinguish between "white race" and white culture".
You completely ignore the possibility that the "white culture" can sustain itself even as the "white race" diminshes, by spreading to other races. I'm not sure if you are making the argument that Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and most importantly Mixed races cannot adopt a culture with similar values/ideas as Whites, but if you are, then that can come off as racist. And even if you were making that argument, then you would have to explain why other races can't have similar values/ideas as Whites, rather than just stating it as so. However, if you do believe the culture of other races can have similar values/ideas as whites, then surely you can see the flaw in what you're saying.
2. Here, you make the same flawed argument that I responded to earlier. The main reason Whites don't need external "help" with this "problem" is because this is the result of voluntary actions by Whites. It's not like Whites are being forced to not reproduce; these are their choices. This is not comparable to dangers other races face such as social injustice. People don't choose to be victims of social injustice, or to be five times more likely to be born in impoverished areas with poor schooling, etc. But people do choose if they want to have kids or not. It is obvious why the former needs external help, rather than the latter.
3. When you say things like "apply medicine at the earliest stage of a sickness, instead of waiting for patient to near death.", it implies that because a population is seeing a decline in population now, that means its population will decrease forever until it eventually dies. Clearly, this is flawed reasoning and it ignores the possibility of the population stabalizing at a lower level.
