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theprof00 said:

That's just natural for new consoles though.

When new consoles come out, it's really not about the big games that come out. Most early games are actually really under-quality. We just don't realize it because the new console makes it seem that much better overall. The consoles will sell simply based on their novelty, and the big games that are out will be purchased regardless.

In terms of "system sellers" I don't think anyone buys a console early on because of the games that come out on it. They buy it because of the system. Their are a significant number of reasons why people would buy a console that doesn't have the games they want yet.

I think system sellers really only come into play somewhere are year 2 or 3. That's when developers start hitting their stride, inevitable price drop, new features, hype, and viral permeation all come in sync and push a system.

I meant to say i didnt agree with the shortages btw, i forgot to add that point.

But A LOT of people buy for the games.  We will use the example of an InFamous spike.  People are waiting for that game.  Next year Halo 5 will  be releasing as well.  That will give XBO a spike.  Or we can look at the recent WiiU mistakes.  Launched with some decent launch games, early adopters flooded in to being completely stagnant in 2013 with a few small spikes for some somewhat bigger releases like Wind Waker.  Even then people are saying they are waiting for games because nothing they have released yet can be considered much of a system seller.  With each big release you will see a small or big spike depending on they hype surrounding the game.

Then we have the Vita which also shows that software sells hardware.  So i do disagree with you that people are buying consoles just because the long wait.  The early adopters, big possibility but not the general public.  Remember there is 80m PS3's sold and a total of 260m consoles sold this gen.  The small number of 2-4m this holiday doesn't account for the overall majority.




       

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The delay means little to nothing. Unless you are one of the poor souls who preordered it in a bundle with your PS4 at Target and they cancelled your console order due to the delay. Seems a few people were affected by this and the Watch Dogs delay.



-CraZed- said:
The delay means little to nothing. Unless you are one of the poor souls who preordered it in a bundle with your PS4 at Target and they cancelled your console order due to the delay. Seems a few people were affected by this and the Watch Dogs delay.


Well they still get the PS4 correct?




       

JayWood2010 said:
-CraZed- said:
The delay means little to nothing. Unless you are one of the poor souls who preordered it in a bundle with your PS4 at Target and they cancelled your console order due to the delay. Seems a few people were affected by this and the Watch Dogs delay.


Well they still get the PS4 correct?


No, that's the problem.

 

http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/19/target-cancelling-ps4-pre-order-bundles-conatining-watch-dogs-or-driveclub/



-CraZed- said:

No, that's the problem.

 

http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/19/target-cancelling-ps4-pre-order-bundles-conatining-watch-dogs-or-driveclub/

This is a shame.

First because the Target created the DriveClub bundle (there is no official DriveClub bundle)... so they just need to change the game.

Seconde because you can't cancel a order without talk with the customer or give some options to change.

Amazong for example is doing the right thing... give the option for change to another bundle or cancel... the customer decides what to do.



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-CraZed- said:
JayWood2010 said:
-CraZed- said:
The delay means little to nothing. Unless you are one of the poor souls who preordered it in a bundle with your PS4 at Target and they cancelled your console order due to the delay. Seems a few people were affected by this and the Watch Dogs delay.


Well they still get the PS4 correct?


No, that's the problem.

 

http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/19/target-cancelling-ps4-pre-order-bundles-conatining-watch-dogs-or-driveclub/


Oh wow, that is horrible O.O  I had no clue about that.  Hopefully something is done about that though.  I would be pissed if i got mine canceled because a delay.  If not, hopefully they can walk in a store and buy one easily.




       

JayWood2010 said:
-CraZed- said:
JayWood2010 said:
-CraZed- said:
The delay means little to nothing. Unless you are one of the poor souls who preordered it in a bundle with your PS4 at Target and they cancelled your console order due to the delay. Seems a few people were affected by this and the Watch Dogs delay.


Well they still get the PS4 correct?


No, that's the problem.

 

http://www.vg247.com/2013/10/19/target-cancelling-ps4-pre-order-bundles-conatining-watch-dogs-or-driveclub/


Oh wow, that is horrible O.O  I had no clue about that.  Hopefully something is done about that though.  I would be pissed if i got mine canceled because a delay.  If not, hopefully they can walk in a store and buy one easily.

Yeah its really a crappy move. I preordered through Best Buy and I was worried this might happen as well. But so far they have been pretty good about honoring the preorders despite not publicly addressing the issue like Amazon and Gamestop.



JayWood2010 said:
theprof00 said:

That's just natural for new consoles though.

When new consoles come out, it's really not about the big games that come out. Most early games are actually really under-quality. We just don't realize it because the new console makes it seem that much better overall. The consoles will sell simply based on their novelty, and the big games that are out will be purchased regardless.

In terms of "system sellers" I don't think anyone buys a console early on because of the games that come out on it. They buy it because of the system. Their are a significant number of reasons why people would buy a console that doesn't have the games they want yet.

I think system sellers really only come into play somewhere are year 2 or 3. That's when developers start hitting their stride, inevitable price drop, new features, hype, and viral permeation all come in sync and push a system.

I meant to say i didnt agree with the shortages btw, i forgot to add that point.

But A LOT of people buy for the games.  We will use the example of an InFamous spike.  People are waiting for that game.  Next year Halo 5 will  be releasing as well.  That will give XBO a spike.  Or we can look at the recent WiiU mistakes.  Launched with some decent launch games, early adopters flooded in to being completely stagnant in 2013 with a few small spikes for some somewhat bigger releases like Wind Waker.  Even then people are saying they are waiting for games because nothing they have released yet can be considered much of a system seller.  With each big release you will see a small or big spike depending on they hype surrounding the game.

Then we have the Vita which also shows that software sells hardware.  So i do disagree with you that people are buying consoles just because the long wait.  The early adopters, big possibility but not the general public.  Remember there is 80m PS3's sold and a total of 260m consoles sold this gen.  The small number of 2-4m this holiday doesn't account for the overall majority.

WiiU's problem isn't 100% that it doesn't have games. It's problem is that not having games solidifies the opinion that it's potential for having games is low.

The same thing is what's happened to Vita. It lost a major franchise (Monster Hunter), has only had a handful of big games in 18 months, and the price has been high. We will see how the 2000 effects sales, but right now the thing standing in Vita's way isn't the lack of games, it's a lack of games creating a negative perception.

Just as a counterpoint, how could you even formulate that opinion looking at ps3. PS3 had "nogaemz" going into it's second year, yet was outselling the 360 launch aligned. It was selling based on potential. There were so many games being announced. Many would never be published. Buyers KNEW it would have games, so they purchased. It also had secondary value system (blu ray) to help push sales.

Vita and wiiu have neither of those. No big annoucnements. No extra worthwhile features. No potential.

While games DO cause spikes in sales, it wouldn't be accurate to say that unless games come out in Jan-March, that sales will die down purely based on lack of games. As long as people understand that games are coming, they will continue buying. Both Sony and MS have done a good job of creating this potential with xb1 and ps4. Nintendo has not. Sony has not with vita.



theprof00 said:
JayWood2010 said:

 

I just see more people waiting for games than buying it purely because it is sony and the promise of games.  The early adopters would have already flooded in by this point unless it is just selling out nonstop.

PS3 had the same issue being stagnant after the holiday due to the lack of system sellers for a while actually.  Being aligned with X360 isnt saying much when X360 came off a console that sold around 25m consoles compared to PS3 coming off one that sold well beyond 100m at that point.





       

JayWood2010 said:
Madword said:
JayWood2010 said:

They will have about 4 exclusives next year (AAA big disk titles)..so thats one every 3 months... that's enough imho in terms of exclusives???  there are many other games coming out... dont know why people are expecting either MS or Sony to just pump out so many games that A. they damage their own exclusives or B. they damage the third party sales.

I think sales will stay ok for a while just because its been 7 odd years since the last gen, think that will make a big difference. Infamous will boost sales, Driveclub out early in the year, then WatchDogs, ... Destiny will be a big title imho... then we head towards the Winter time with some most likely big titles, such as TheOrder (hopefully), and a NaughtyDog game, .... then we should be expecting 3rd party titles such as TheDevision, and others that are yet to be announced...

All of these games - including 3rd party will boost next gen consoles. Personally I see 2014 being a very good year for the next gen consoles.


Well we are purely talking about America in this thread but there will be a jump of course at the launch for Japan.

But nobody is expecting them to pump out AAA titles immediately.  People are just going to wait until that big title comes for them.  

What is the 4 games?  I know InFamous and now DriveClub(Which i already dubbed as something that wont push much hardware).  Is there anything else announced pre-E3?

Sony have already said these games are for 2014 now:

TheOrder

Infamous

Driveclub

and lets be honest, we are all expecting a naughty dog announcement in December :)



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