Oh my, King of Videogames! You can't be serious. This is a business, not a popularity contest.

Nintendo is among the very best when it comes to game design but they have a terrible relationship with most developers and publishers in the industry. This has cost them billions of dollars in the past and will continue to cost them in the future if they don't get out of their ivory tower soon.

I think Nintendo is literally known by the moniker "King of Games" in Japan.  There's a site that exclusively sells Nintendo branded clothing that uses that name.

I don't think any console has sold $2 billion games. Or do you mean what platforms have supported a game that brought in more than $2 billion in revenue? Or are you talking about $2 billion in total software revenue for the platform? I don't understand this question I guess. What is obvious to all (most?) is that no company can touch Nintendo when it comes to selling software.

Having an agenda does not mean being a fanboy. It means that facst are cherry picked and framed to support a specific conclusion, while not having an agenda means looking at the facts and then let that determin the conclusion.

Wrong. I am basing Nintendo's home console success on their entire history of making home consoles and relating that to the video game market as a whole. You are the one who wants to disregard this, and forget about that. As you will remember, you are the one who wanted to bring the artifical split of home consoles and everything else into the discussion. Why? Because it fits the narrative you are trying to build, also known as pushing an agenda. Anyway, no matter how you want to slice it, there is no rational way to deny the fact that Nintendo is the king of this industry.

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Maybe you should calm down and reserve judgement until Ubisofts biggest hitters comes to WiiU - AC4 and Watchdogs. If they fail, I really cant see anyone blaming Ubisoft if they ditch Nintendo all together. 

Speaking of the number 2 billion:

What company have sold more than 2 billion games? Nintendo

Does any other company come even close to that number? No

Nintendo IS the King of Videogames and that is an undisputable fact. 

I'm not talking about Nintendo's overall place in the industry, I agree they are top dog. This thread is about WiiU, home console, and Bethesda talking to Nintendo about their home console, you said Nintendo shouldn't listen to Bethesda because they're amazing or w/e so I point out that when it comes to home consoles (which is what this is all about) they're not undisputed. Neither Sony or Nintendo is, but if you have to pick one it's Sony, they will have the top selling home consoles, and the PS2 which sold 2 billion games (more than double any Nintendo system ever).

It takes a whole load of factors to become undisputed, it's you who is in fact cherrypicking to get to that conclusion, not me.

Well, I was talking about Nintendo's overall place in the industry and how it makes Bethesda look when they venture to put forward advice to the undisputed King of Videogames. You felt it was prudent to prune down the point to only cover home consoles though, and also to prune it further to only cover the three generations where Sony has had a home console on the market. That is the very definition of cherry picking, but whatever. The point still stands.

You seem to put a lot of emphasis on how many units of Software was sold on the PS2, but a VAST majority of those 2 billion games were not made or published by Sony. A quick look at the list of top selling games ever should be enough to make it abundantly clear that your argument needs heavy cherrypicking to even be worth considering. And even then it's quite clear that Nintendo is the only reasonable pick for the crown, but the whole argument is artficial as Nintendo is undisputably the King of Videogames (note, not "the KIng of sixth Generation hardware sales")  and as such Bethesda (the knave of videogames) looks like tools when trying to tell Nintendo what they should be doing. 

Just looked at your profile and that explains a lot. We can't expect a 17-year old to know a thing about business. I was probably saying silly things like "King of Videogames" as well at that age.

Thankfully, kings and crowns and similar bullshit have no place in the billion dollar industry of videogames. They only have a place in fanboy quarrels.

Maybe he is calm, and maybe if he isn't, he shouldn't be. I thought he made an excellent point, and sometimes as Nintendo fans we need to get our heads out of our own arses so to speak, so as to see what's actually happening from an outside point of view.

We really can't have a peaceful thread nowadays xD

Anyway I think the Wii U could get third party support in the future when it is a vaible option. The PS4 and the Xbox One aren't even released and some people are already talking about a winner! What if the PS4 and Xbox one dry up after the holidays? I say wait and see! Thee Wii U will do a turn around. It amy not end as the "king" this gen but it will surely end up with a decent amount of sold consoles!