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Azzanation said:
Frequency said:
Azzanation said:

From this article his saying that it doesn't matter who has the most powerful system but his also not saying PS4 is more powerful. Sick of reading people's post saying "duh now it doesn't matter" It never mattered. PS2 was the weakest system (even though Sony claimed it the most powerful) but did that matter to anyone? Games matter and right now XB1 has the advantage.

Has the advantage in your opinion, don't confuse opinion with fact.

Fact shows XB1 has the better launch line up, like it or not.

The facts are that the PS4 has MORE games announced, better games incoming. better specs under it's hood AND it's cheaper.



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Frequency said:
cablebox said:
How about both, the games and the gigaflops


Everyone wanting this already owns a gaming PC.

nope, I want both and I don't own a gaming pc, stop with your generalization



Somini said:
Azzanation said:
Frequency said:
Azzanation said:

From this article his saying that it doesn't matter who has the most powerful system but his also not saying PS4 is more powerful. Sick of reading people's post saying "duh now it doesn't matter" It never mattered. PS2 was the weakest system (even though Sony claimed it the most powerful) but did that matter to anyone? Games matter and right now XB1 has the advantage.

Has the advantage in your opinion, don't confuse opinion with fact.

Fact shows XB1 has the better launch line up, like it or not.

The facts are that the PS4 has MORE games announced, better games incoming. better specs under it's hood AND it's cheaper.

PS4 has more games coming but not at Launch giving XB1 a better launch lineup, Better games is in your opinion, if they were better then they will win more awards, Better specs? prove it. Cheaper without the camera. You live off blind logic.



Azzanation said:
Frequency said:

Has the advantage in your opinion, don't confuse opinion with fact.

Fact shows XB1 has the better launch line up, like it or not. XB1 games easily won more awards at the shows then any other.


How is that?  I'm pretty sure whether or not a game is good or better is based on an opinion, is it not?  One person may love dead rising and ryse while another person may hate them.  The quality of enjoyment of a game is based on subjective criteria and as such it is opinion based.  

Those awards you mention are merely the opinions expressed by game journalists.  You cant claim someone elses opinion on a game somehow makes it a fact that the games are better.  



gergroy said:
Azzanation said:
Frequency said:

Has the advantage in your opinion, don't confuse opinion with fact.

Fact shows XB1 has the better launch line up, like it or not. XB1 games easily won more awards at the shows then any other.


How is that?  I'm pretty sure whether or not a game is good or better is based on an opinion, is it not?  One person may love dead rising and ryse while another person may hate them.  The quality of enjoyment of a game is based on subjective criteria and as such it is opinion based.  

Those awards you mention are merely the opinions expressed by game journalists.  You cant claim someone elses opinion on a game somehow makes it a fact that the games are better.  

Awards go a long way in showing the games quality. Yes its all down to opinions. However XB1 has the better games because right now more people (journalists) like there games more then anything else.



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Azzanation said:
Frequency said:
Azzanation said:

From this article his saying that it doesn't matter who has the most powerful system but his also not saying PS4 is more powerful. Sick of reading people's post saying "duh now it doesn't matter" It never mattered. PS2 was the weakest system (even though Sony claimed it the most powerful) but did that matter to anyone? Games matter and right now XB1 has the advantage.

Has the advantage in your opinion, don't confuse opinion with fact.

Fact shows XB1 has the better launch line up, like it or not. XB1 games easily won more awards at the shows then any other.

Again this is a matter of opinion and not fact, winning awards doesn't mean a thing to a persons individual opinion.

If a person likes indie games would they say Xbox has the advantage in games?, if a person preferred Sony or Nintendo exclusives would they say the Xbox had the advantage in games? If they owned a high spec PC and planned on buying Titan fall for that and not an Xbox one would they still say the Xbox has an advantage? In all of these cases the answer would be no, in all of these cases its down to an individuals opinion, in all cases where someone believes the Xbox has the advantage in terms of games, like it or not, it is just a matter of personal opinion.

 

The only fact here is that either console could be launching with just a single game compared to the rival console launching with 100 and if a particular person liked that one game, to them, that console would have the advantage.

But hey, if you want to go off of awards handed out to games that aren't even finished and haven't even been reviewed, then by all means do so, just know and understand that when it comes to a consumer, individual opinion termines which retail product has an advantage, nothing else.



Frequency said:

Microsoft, just shut up and release your console and games, ever time someone steps forward to hype the console they go and contradict another Microsoft reps argument, this has been happening none stop since the reveal, first panello says specs don't matter next he's on neo GAF trying to convince everyone that the Xbox specs aren't what everyone thinks next we have this moron coming forward to go back to the specs don't matter tune, if he ends up bragging and talking up specs in a weeks time we will be full circle on this crap.

I'm getting tired of It, I don't really care if the console is as powerful as the ps4 or not, I'm getting both, if games are more important than specs shut up and talk about the games instead of downplaying the competitions spec advantage.

You're making it really, really hard to support you and your console and frankly I'm starting to feel somewhat embarrassed about having a day one console on preorder.

I think you need to go back to the OP and re read it.  You will find that M$ guy just answered questions about this (more than a week ago).  This isn't a press release.  I agree it's better that they try to avoid talking specs in a losing battle, but if they dodge questions from the press, it will only make it look worse.  If you really don't care about the specs, quit commenting in a specs thread.  The unfortunate part is that you are basically right.



kitler53 said:
best is subjective. ..but quantity is not and ps4's announced library is almost twice a big as xbone's.

so to phil i say, "it is about the games. ..and that's part of why ps4 is winning".

That's announced though, not launch. Launch Xbox One has advantage by 1 I believe. And when comparing announced, Sony has japanese titles and indies, of which Xbox One surely has several still in the bag that are unannounced.

For Phil's argument, he's talking purely launch games, which is correct.

Let's come back to this at the end of 2014 and see how the situation looks :)



Frequency said:
Azzanation said:
Frequency said:
Azzanation said:

From this article his saying that it doesn't matter who has the most powerful system but his also not saying PS4 is more powerful. Sick of reading people's post saying "duh now it doesn't matter" It never mattered. PS2 was the weakest system (even though Sony claimed it the most powerful) but did that matter to anyone? Games matter and right now XB1 has the advantage.

Has the advantage in your opinion, don't confuse opinion with fact.

Fact shows XB1 has the better launch line up, like it or not. XB1 games easily won more awards at the shows then any other.

Again this is a matter of opinion and not fact, winning awards doesn't mean a thing to a persons individual opinion.

If a person likes indie games would they say Xbox has the advantage in games?, if a person preferred Sony or Nintendo exclusives would they say the Xbox had the advantage in games? If they owned a high spec PC and planned on buying Titan fall for that and not an Xbox one would they still say the Xbox has an advantage? In all of these cases the answer would be no, in all of these cases its down to an individuals opinion, in all cases where someone believes the Xbox has the advantage in terms of games, like it or not, it is just a matter of personal opinion.

 

The only fact here is that either console could be launching with just a single game compared to the rival console launching with 100 and if a particular person liked that one game, to them, that console would have the advantage.

But hey, if you want to go off of awards handed out to games that aren't even finished and haven't even been reviewed, then by all means do so, just know and understand that when it comes to a consumer, individual opinion termines which retail product has an advantage, nothing else.

Your right opinions mean everything, and right now more people like what they see on XB1 then PS4 or WiiU.



Azzanation said:
Frequency said:
Azzanation said:
Frequency said:
Azzanation said:

From this article his saying that it doesn't matter who has the most powerful system but his also not saying PS4 is more powerful. Sick of reading people's post saying "duh now it doesn't matter" It never mattered. PS2 was the weakest system (even though Sony claimed it the most powerful) but did that matter to anyone? Games matter and right now XB1 has the advantage.

Has the advantage in your opinion, don't confuse opinion with fact.

Fact shows XB1 has the better launch line up, like it or not. XB1 games easily won more awards at the shows then any other.

Again this is a matter of opinion and not fact, winning awards doesn't mean a thing to a persons individual opinion.

If a person likes indie games would they say Xbox has the advantage in games?, if a person preferred Sony or Nintendo exclusives would they say the Xbox had the advantage in games? If they owned a high spec PC and planned on buying Titan fall for that and not an Xbox one would they still say the Xbox has an advantage? In all of these cases the answer would be no, in all of these cases its down to an individuals opinion, in all cases where someone believes the Xbox has the advantage in terms of games, like it or not, it is just a matter of personal opinion.

 

The only fact here is that either console could be launching with just a single game compared to the rival console launching with 100 and if a particular person liked that one game, to them, that console would have the advantage.

But hey, if you want to go off of awards handed out to games that aren't even finished and haven't even been reviewed, then by all means do so, just know and understand that when it comes to a consumer, individual opinion termines which retail product has an advantage, nothing else.

Your right opinions mean everything, and right now more people like what they see on XB1 then PS4 or WiiU.

Every piece of info we have right know shows that PS4 leads in preorder numbers, so what people really like what they see more? You can say price, overall package, or you can say games. Anyway the market is speaking and is pro PS4, so even though you say Xbone has the better games, or even journalist say so, doesn't mean that majority agrees with it.



So it is happening...PS4 preorder.

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