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MikeRox on 29 September 2013

It might not be a "downgrade". It might be more they've optimised the models to free up resources for other aspects of the game.

Moto GP 2 on the original Xbox had better looking bikes than the original Moto GP despite them using fewer polygons, because they optimised the models.

Why waste polygons if they're not needed?



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MB1025 on 29 September 2013
ethomaz said:

Machiavellian said:

This has nothing to do with your original post.  This has to do with this statement you made. 

"I criticize the developer that make PR false information but I like they are working to fix the things... the new presentation showed some improvements in effects.

Two different subjects.

I don't like when they do the wrong thing... I like when they do the right thing... It is like when me or you make a mistake but in this case they are public persons/companies... they can't make these mistakes."

You claim the developer lied to you.  You stated Crytek said they made the most advance character and you used the poly count as a reference in this post.

"They can't say "we have the most advanced character ever created with 150k polygons" and after that say "ohhh we decreased the polygons to use more effects in the character"."

These are your statement and you cannot back any of it up.  There is no where that Crytek makes such a claim its your opinion which is what I am pointing out.  You state it as fact and thats the problem I have.  You put together your own words and throw them into the mouth of the developer.  This is what I asked you find, not your theory on what you believe.

They lied... CryTek did that... two time... most detailed ever with 150k triangles now they confirmed the downgrad to 85k... and about the 1080p.

I used only the developer words.


Again you posted an article saying they said exactly what you said in the article and they did not. They didn't even say anything about 150,000 triangles.

This is axactly what I was talking about in the other threads about you and Microsoft threads. You have to fucking argue about everything all the time to so you can try to paint that doom and gloom. You are sitting here calling Crytek liars because they made a development change before launch. Listen to yourself. Your so jaded and blind it is fucking ridiculous. 

Anyone can go pick a thread and it is wash rinse and repeat with you. You argue for the sake of arguing.



ethomaz on 29 September 2013

Where he said "most detailed caracter in any game" he is talking about the polygon count... 150k... I don't what part did you guys didn't understand.

He was cleary... even admited the downgrad in triangles lol.

You guys are trying to argue against the logic... you can't have a most detailed 3D character without triangles counts... it is the same thing lol



ethomaz on 29 September 2013

Angelus said:

This is one of the silliest arguments I've ever seen.

Stop fighting over their precise words and look at the lack of logic instead. They didn't lie. Whatever they said was true at the time they said it and therefore, by definition, it cannot be a lie.

If I tell you I have brown hair, and then you see me 3 months later with black hair, that doesn't make me a liar. It means I decided to make a change. Plain and simple.

 

Don't be such a baby etho

Except they are talking about "detail" in a 3D character = number of tryangles lol



ethomaz on 29 September 2013

MB1025 said:

Again you posted an article saying they said exactly what you said in the article and they did not. They didn't even say anything about 150,000 triangles.

This is axactly what I was talking about in the other threads about you and Microsoft threads. You have to fucking argue about everything all the time to so you can try to paint that doom and gloom. You are sitting here calling Crytek liars because they made a development change before launch. Listen to yourself. Your so jaded and blind it is fucking ridiculous.

Anyone can go pick a thread and it is wash rinse and repeat with you. You argue for the sake of arguing.

Again... the artilce says they created the most detailed character in any game = biggest numbers of tryangles lol

There is no other way to understand or spin that but you guys try to break the logic lol



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ethomaz on 29 September 2013
MikeRox said:
It might not be a "downgrade". It might be more they've optimised the models to free up resources for other aspects of the game.

Moto GP 2 on the original Xbox had better looking bikes than the original Moto GP despite them using fewer polygons, because they optimised the models.

Why waste polygons if they're not needed?

Why say they have the most detailed character in a game? If at the end they don't have.

And it is not a waste... I'm sure they tried to mantin 150k... in fact I have a interview they tried 250k but they have to change the plans to 150k.



Machiavellian on 29 September 2013
ethomaz said:

Machiavellian said:

This has nothing to do with your original post.  This has to do with this statement you made. 

"I criticize the developer that make PR false information but I like they are working to fix the things... the new presentation showed some improvements in effects.

Two different subjects.

I don't like when they do the wrong thing... I like when they do the right thing... It is like when me or you make a mistake but in this case they are public persons/companies... they can't make these mistakes."

You claim the developer lied to you.  You stated Crytek said they made the most advance character and you used the poly count as a reference in this post.

"They can't say "we have the most advanced character ever created with 150k polygons" and after that say "ohhh we decreased the polygons to use more effects in the character"."

These are your statement and you cannot back any of it up.  There is no where that Crytek makes such a claim its your opinion which is what I am pointing out.  You state it as fact and thats the problem I have.  You put together your own words and throw them into the mouth of the developer.  This is what I asked you find, not your theory on what you believe.

They lied... CryTek did that... two time... most detailed ever with 150k triangles now they confirmed the downgrad to 85k... and about the 1080p.

I used only the developer words.

No, you twisted the developers words to fit your opinion.  You used those words out of context, made up your own, then presented it as fact.  This is total fanboy tactics and I tought you were above that crap but maybe I was wrong.   Then you get this crap about being lied to.  Not once did Crytek lie about anything.  They were not talking to you and you were not their audience for the Autodesk conference and you were not their audience for the DICE conference either.  I am having a hard time understanding this lying part.  Development change all the time, stuff get added and things get cut all the time.  Lying would be if they stated the character is 150k, change it to 85k and when asked about the character said it was still 150k.  That would be a lie.  A lie would be saying you have 1080p, drop it to 900 then continue to claim you have 1080p.  Do you have a clear difinition of what lying is because I am having my doubts.



Machiavellian on 29 September 2013
ethomaz said:

Where he said "most detailed caracter in any game" he is talking about the polygon count... 150k... I don't what part did you guys didn't understand.

He was cleary... even admited the downgrad in triangles lol.

You guys are trying to argue against the logic... you can't have a most detailed 3D character without triangles counts... it is the same thing lol

Do you just read what you want or what.  Did you see the part where he state the word probably.  Do you understand what that word means because without understanding the complete sentence and the context its stated, your whole argument is totally lost.  Since he never stated anything about polys your argument is also totally lost.  You are the one putting in your own words to support your opinion which is a fallacy.  You cannot throw your own words into the developer mouth and sit there and say "This is what he means".  Thats crap.

As I stated either you have a real problem with context or english or reading comprehension but your ground is thin when you cannot read the complete sentence as is without putting in your own logic.



ethomaz on 29 September 2013

Machiavellian said:

Do you just read what you want or what.  Did you see the part where he state the word probably.  Do you understand what that word means because without understanding the complete sentence and the context its stated, your whole argument is totally lost.  Since he never stated anything about polys your argument is also totally lost.  You are the one putting in your own words to support your opinion which is a fallacy.  You cannot throw your own words into the developer mouth and sit there and say "This is what he means".  Thats crap.

As I stated either you have a real problem with context or english or reading comprehension but your ground is thin when you cannot read the complete sentence as is without putting in your own logic.

No I quoted exactly what they said.... I can't change that lol... before they had the most detailed caracter in a game and claimed that... now anymore.



kirby007 on 29 September 2013

probably means they upped surroundings and npcs



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