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trestres on 10 February 2008

ioi is doing the best he can, wonder why Capcom is complaining, cause sooner or later numbers will get fixed



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supermario128 on 10 February 2008

Who cares what that guy says anyways, he's not the head of Capcom.




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plzdontbanme on 10 February 2008
loadedstatement said:
Way to make a misleading title. This is a random person on the forums on Capcom.com . This guy is in no way affiliated with Capcom. Dugg down for Innacurate.

Speaking for Mr. Christian Svensson I demand an apology and a digg up.


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plzdontbanme on 14 February 2008

Well where is that apology?



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Hawk on 14 February 2008
Bodhesatva said:
Riot Of The Blood said:
Imthelegend said:
Riot Of The Blood said:
wiiforever said:
Riot Of The Blood said:
Capcom makes the best games period.

*Inserts Capital Letter*

imo, i think Ninty makes the best game period.


No way. Nintendo's are overrated.


Metacritic scores of over 90

Nintendo 16

Capcom 8

Sony 1

Microsoft 0

Konami 17

Electronic Arts 12

Not the perfect way of sorting issues but better than nothing. Konami comes out on top.If any other developers comes into it let me know.


As you have already acknowledge, that's not the best way to prove anything. Many of Capcom's most iconic franchises do not reach 90%. Nintendo's games get there on nostalgic reasons alone. Nintendo's games are also immune to the criticism given to other developers games due to their past accomplishments. Here's an example: Devil May Cry 4 is a highly percieved action/adventure game. However, the game only ranks in at 83%, and the main reason why are false claims such as it not offering anything new. The same argument could easily be made for The Legend of Zelda:Twilight Princess - GC, a game that ranks in at 95.5%. More often than not, Capcom's games are underscored for fallacious reasons (the game is hard, nothing new, ect). Nintendo's games are almost always given extreemly generous scores. 

As others have already pointed out, Ring, there isn't much other way to go about this. Here are the ways I can imagine game quality being objectively measured:

Critical reception
Sales to consumers
A game's "longevity," or legs. Sales based on good word of mouth

Nintendo has historically the most number of games rated 90+ on either Metacritic or Gamerankings, by a wide margin. They're the best selling publisher in the world, and their games consistently have long legs.

You're absolutely welcome to your own opinion, I don't want to diminish that. But if there is any such thing as objective evaluation, then there isn't much room for argument here -- Nintendo succeeds under every possible criteria, be it commercial, critical, or lasting success.

Again, for greater emphasis: you're absolutely welcome to not personally like Nintendo games. I don't want to undermine that at all.

 I've noticed that Riot likes to take personal preferences or ideas and say "that's the way it is".  Like him saying that Nintendo games are highly rated for nostalgic reasons alone.  So, saying there is no other reason they are there.  No possibility that many of us actually find Nintendo games superior. Well, you are wrong.  I personally find Nintendo games of superior quality.  There ya go, the one person I am able to speak for, does not think so solely on nostalgia.  So, it's not the ONLY reason Nintendo games are rated highly.

Don't like Nintendo games if you want.  But its saying statements that apply to all, that you base only on yourself, that you are incorrect in doing. 

 



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dante on 14 February 2008

no developers in history have had half the style capcom has in its games



d21lewis on 14 February 2008

???WHAA?? Not very?


and just like that, with two simple words, my faith was broken.



Final-Fan on 14 February 2008

Personally I think of the software sales charts as being in "beta".



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naznatips on 14 February 2008
Final-Fan said:
Personally I think of the software sales charts as being in "beta".

Not a bad way to think of it. In general the historical data is accurate.  Weekly data can be off by a fairly signifficant margin, but it's also pretty early in the site's software tracking to be complaining about that much.



DeltaXIII on 15 February 2008

For those who care, Sven did clarify what he meant,

 

Here is what I will say...

As a sell-through measurement tool, I've found them to be significantly less accurate (more often than not overly optimistic than under reporting) than our real data.

I won't go trashing them. I've looked at them a few times, and I've found them to be inaccuate by a wide enough margin, frequently enough as to not rely on them.

If for your entertainment value, you find them useful and fun, that's great. I'm sure the team there would take great pride in that.


 So apparently we are still relatively far off on software numbers, but as ioi has stated, he is aware of that, and I believe he is working on improving them.