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I think the more accurate statement would be poverty limits or even prevents access to meaningful education...
This impacts health literacy and the possibility of upward mobility...
Regarding health specifically, when one individual in a population suffers from a chronic illness/condition, an individual's personal accountability may be questioned...
When that chronic illness/condition becomes highly prevalent in that population, then you must examine the environment in which the population lives instead of simply concluding that population is dumb or doesn't care, regardless of their economic status...



Have a nice day...

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The research mentioned in the article is still only measuring correlation, so the claim that "poverty is making people dumber" is unfortunately not founded on a causal link (due to no actual manipulation of any variables, outside of simply taking tests at different bill amounts). Since causation wasn't tested, there is no way to conclude whether poverty caused a reduction in intelligence, lack of intelligence caused poverty, or some other variable not mentioned.

It's obvious that socioeconomic status and intelligence are correlated, but there are many potential variables at work here.



PDF said:
I always thought it was the other way around. Dumb people make more poverty.

And the study is challenging that.  That can be said to be true, but what the study was going for is that poverty also makes people dumber.



-CraZed- said:
richardhutnik said:

So, apparently there can be a snowball effect here...

 

http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-poverty-iq-20130831,0,2261441.story

Whether you're a New Jersey mall rat or a farmer in India, being poor can sap your smarts. In fact, the mental energy required to make do with scarce resources taxes the brain so much that it can perpetuate the cycle of poverty, new research shows.

The findings, published in Friday's edition of the journal Science, indicate that an urgent need — making rent, getting money for food — tugs at the attention so much that it can reduce the brainpower of anyone who experiences it, regardless of innate intelligence or personality. As a result, many social welfare programs set up to help the poor could backfire by adding more complexity to their lives.

"I think it's a game changer," said Kathleen Vohs, a behavioral scientist at the University of Minnesota's Carlson School of Management, who wasn't involved with the study.

There's a widespread tendency to assume that poor people don't have money because they are lazy, unmotivated or just not that sharp, said study coauthor Sendhil Mullainathan, a behavioral economist at Harvard University.

"That's a broad narrative that's pretty common," Mullainathan said. "Our intuition was quite different: It's not that poor people are any different than rich people, but that being poor in itself has an effect."

 

This reminded me of a Times article about the "Me" generation and an important portion from it about how back in the 80's and 90's they linked self-esteem to higher grades and testing scores. Turns out the take away that boosting self-esteem by giving awards, trophies or ribbons for simply being one's self and stroking our kids' egos didn't create better grades or more achievement but has come about in the form of greater rates of narcissism and selfishness.  It was really ACTUAL achievement that boosted real self-esteem not the other way around.

I suspect that the same will be found here eventually after we have gone ahead and given away earned wealth and resources we will see a gradual decline in overall living standards and an even further decline in rates of intelligence.

We are already seeing it over the last several decades. We spend more on education, feeding the poor, giving away free health care etc. etc. than ever before and yet by nearly every metric we use to track the academic progress of our populace we are getting dumber and dumber.




We aren't though.  Literacy, College and Highschool graduation are at all time highes.

 

The US is dropping in international rankings, but that has more to do with the ascendence of those countries... in particular eastern europeon and eastern asian countries that put an emphasis on education to the point of where  it negativly effects people socially.

 

For example in a lot of countries, school is where you go to have fun or sleep, because the real learning happens in after our study centers, that are often against the law.



People living in poverty tend to live near poor performing schools, many also have an unhealthy diet resulting in fatigue, and, therefore, low motivation.

During busy periods, I tend to eat fruit and yoghurt for breakfast. It makes me feel wired, and ready for anything. Eating a cooked breakfast, or cereals, in the morning tends to make me groggy and feel sick. It's a sidestep from this thread, but I'm guessing more "poor people!" eat cereal or bacon and eggs, versus the wealthy who are far more likely to have fruit salad or smoothie*

*Based on absolutely nothing other than gut feeling. Seems about right, though



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it is not being poor that makes us dumber but the downward slope of poverty which keep us away from growth