What is this NDA everyone keeps talking about?
MS can't say anything till the 29th?
It's just that simple.
What is this NDA everyone keeps talking about?
MS can't say anything till the 29th?
It's just that simple.
MonstaMack said: What is this NDA everyone keeps talking about? MS can't say anything till the 29th? |
The dGPU rumor states that MS is under a NDA concerning the inclusion of the dGPU. The NDA is from AMD. AMD will be presenting their next APU/GPU on Sept 29th. If MS has this peice in their X1, then they cannot make any statements about it until after that date.
pretty sure both consoles will be on par with each other both 1st party and 3rd party we'll really have to wait for the head to heads coming this fall
the bottom line is that the console MS is competing with is $100 less even if the XB1 is even or slightly better graphics wise nobody is gonna care enough to spend the extra 100 much like this gen with the PS3
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Machiavellian said:
Yes, the difference in the GPUs are big but thats the point I raise. MS has about 6 co-processors they are not talking about. Without knowing what these processors do, who knows how much offloading of graphics can be done on the X1 to releave the GPU and even the CPU from their task. The problem with only comparing the GPU and not the entire system is that people who are not coding to both platforms do not know if other parts of the hardware play a role or not. Co-processors are ways for custom designs to offload that processing from the CPU and GPU. This is why its not evident yet eactly how this might play out. MS might have felt its more efficient to offload specific intensive processing to specialize hardware. As for memory, it wasn't the expense of the memory but the timing. MS designed their system for 8GB way before 8GB of GDDR5 was possible to fit within the console. Do not forget that Sony was rumored to be supplying 4Gb before Samsung was able to produce 512mb chips which allowed Sony to increase the memory to 8. MS already designed their system for 8GB and needed ESRAM to fill in the bandwidth part. Since this was already done, there was no changing the system once 8GB of GDDR5 was possible. The latency part will come into play for anything that cannot be offloaded to the CU. Since the CPUs are weak anyway, the latency can become a problem if there is to much CPU task that require lower latency than bandwidth. The NDA stuff is concernign the rumor that is going around the dGPU. I was only mentioning it because people kept saying that MS would be telling the world they had this chip but the rumor already covered why this was not happening. As for what Albert is talking about, he is stating that raw physical numbers (mainly the GPU) does not tell the who picture. There are other parts within the X1 that make up the difference. Only way we will see that is in the games. |
@bolded: Fair point. I didnt really think of it that way.
Although i cant see co-processors making that much of a difference(just opinion/hunch). I mean calling it a co-processor isnt actually telling us much. But we all know that GPU's are the best components for graphics, effects etc. So in that sense, Xbone is limited to it's GPU theoretical power for certain GPU specific tasks. So is the PS4, and il say it again that the PS4 also has co-processors. We just dont know how many it has.Cerny spoke a lot about offloading tasks as well...freeing up CPU and GPU resources.
I dont see either system offloading GPU specific tasks to the co-processors but more CPU tasks to assist the weak CPU.
My point about the memory though was that if MS could have gone with GDDR5 and cost was not an issue or if there were no issues at all. They would have gone with it.
I think theres a bit of PR spin to what Albert is saying to be honest...i dont see how they can close a .5 tfl gap in performance with a few co-processors. At the end of the day these arent fully fledged GPU cores, or CPU cores as far as i understand. If they are then its another story but as far as i know they not. And apart from PR spin i think MS is just explaining how they are making their console more efficient, explaining the design decisions etc. It's not like MS went and added co-processors just to compete with Sony. If MS wanted a more beefier GPU they would have added it in. Raw computation performance just didnt seem to be the gameplan really.
BHR-3 said: pretty sure both consoles will be on par with each other both 1st party and 3rd party we'll really have to wait for the head to heads coming this fall the bottom line is that the console MS is competing with is $100 less even if the XB1 is even or slightly better graphics wise nobody is gonna care enough to spend the extra 100 much like this gen with the PS3 |
Lol The PS3 was outselling the 360 even when it was $100 more expensive so i'm not sure what you're talking about
binary solo said:
Don't Alberto's statements more or less confirm there isn't a 2nd GPU? I mean, having a whole second GPU in the Xb one would not just bring hardware parity to PS4 but would take Xb one well beyond PS4, unless it was the shittiest, cheapest GPU available on the market today which only boosts Xb one performance about 30% or so. So I take those statements to mean that the specs out in the public are pretty much the specs for Xb one, and that it's all about maximising the use of the hardware through brilliant programming and software design. |
Yep I agree 100%
Machiavellian said:
The dGPU rumor states that MS is under a NDA concerning the inclusion of the dGPU. The NDA is from AMD. AMD will be presenting their next APU/GPU on Sept 29th. If MS has this peice in their X1, then they cannot make any statements about it until after that date. |
Thanks.
It's just that simple.
NobleTeam360 said: You know I realized that these type of articles I see the same type of comments over and over......... |
I read throught all of the comments and unfortunately you are correct :(
Ahhh the mystical special sauce started by the wii U
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DD_Bwest said: whats the point of having hidden specs and a secret processor. why hide it now? sony cant really change anything, they already have warehouses filled with systems built. If MS had anything that was actually more powerful they would be shouting it as loud as they can. Like cloud... |
Microsoft not allowed to release final spec of Xbox one till end of September