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eyeofcore on 01 November 2013
dsage01 said:
eyeofcore said:
Ashadian said:
eyeofcore said:
Main and primary reason why a lot of games on Xbox One are below 1080p and even 720p is because of eSRAM that is used for GPU since developers need to learn to work with it and when they do then Xbox One will have a chance to outshine PlayStation 4 and since eSRAM is 28nm like the GPU then Microsoft most likely embedded it into GPU thus it will have way higher bandwidth than PlayStation 4 so it will be more efficient and more complex things can be done, since Xbox One has a weaker GPU I think that eSRAM will help to make it neck to neck and DDR3 RAM is fast enough and better for the CPU.

Also don't trust Sony fanboys, Sony was going to do the same thing as Microsoft and MIcrosoft was the sucker who went first and Sony said "O shit!" when they saw the negative reaction, I would not be surprised if some hackers/homebrews decide to not update PlayStation 4 and hack it and maybe they find out that Sony planned DRM.

Sony is a cocky company, that is why their fanbase is so dumb... They ruined gaming and they are worth only shit right now since 3rd party games are not as good as before nor those games are exclusives anymore form 3rd party.

This is a hilarious post!

Please come back when the X1 is neck and neck with the PS4!

It will never performance wise be neck and neck with the PS4

3 multipats show this

COD Ghosts,BF4 and NFS Rivals

The graphics arms race is over!


Yet my post is not hilarious because your post is hilarious since there is only 50% gap and that is small, it is not like 100% also there is no such leaps anymore like it was with Super Nintendo to Nintendo 64 or from PlayStation 1 to PlayStation 2 or from Xbox to Xbox 360. Your claim that it will never have performance of PlayStation 4 is laughable, remember when Xbox 360 was always ahead and there were Xbox fans saying that PlayStation 3 can't catch up yet it did and outperform... So... Yea.

First of all PlayStation 4 uses GDDR5 memory as primary and only memory so it is easier to program for it compared to Xbox One that has two memory types, DDR3 that does what it is suppose to do and eSRAM as VRAM that is cheaper and faster than GDDR5, but harder to work with and that is reason why games on Xbox One has couple of multi plats that are 720p and not 900p or 1080p. Xbox One has 32MB of eSRAM that is ultra fast and it only needs 16MB to achieve 1080p in single pass and rest can be used for AA's and other things.

As time goes on, developers will learn to handle eSRAM like they learned how to handle eDRAM in Xbox 360.

Xbox to Xbox 360? When Halo 3 first launched it specs were almost on par with Halo 2 just barely edging it out. And Halo 2 was a 2004 game and Halo 3 was 2007. 


Are you trolling? >_>

First of all Halo is that type of game that you don't see much leap at first, but when you look better then you see the real difference like lightning, texture details, effects, amount of polygons and other things. Original Xbox is way simpler than Xbox 360 when came for developing for, eDRAM as eSRAM is a pain to handle and use it properly and we really saw games shine on Xbox 360  in 2008-2009 when Microsoft finally was able to know every flaw and trait of it and tricks to use.

Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3... To be honest were clusterfucks to develop for... Sony and Microsoft design teams really did a poor job, 32-40 stage pipelines, in order, silly amount of cache that made these worthless in CPU tasks compared to some GPU tasks that they could do. They should had a simpler CPU, a single Wii core matched to single Xbox 360 core LMAO in CPU tasks.



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SandyVGina on 01 November 2013
Ashadian said:
 

This is a hilarious post!

Please come back when the X1 is neck and neck with the PS4!

It will never performance wise be neck and neck with the PS4

3 multipats show this

COD Ghosts,BF4 and NFS Rivals

The graphics arms race is over!

I missed the news on NFS Rivals, what resolution is that running at for both systems?



drkohler on 01 November 2013
eyeofcore said:

DDR3 that does what it is suppose to do and eSRAM as VRAM that is cheaper and faster than GDDR5, but harder to work with and that is reason why games on Xbox One has couple of multi plats that are 720p and not 900p or 1080p. Xbox One has 32MB of eSRAM that is ultra fast and it only needs 16MB to achieve 1080p in single pass and rest can be used for AA's and other things.

I can assure you that esram is a lot, and I mean _A LOT_ more expensive than gddr5 ram. That really is a no-brainer since the 32Mbyte take up about 70-80mm^2 die space, that is more than half of a cell processor, so you are looking at $10 for 32Mbyte of esram. 32MByte of gddr5 ram is 1/16 of a chip, so you are looking at <$1 for 32MByte. Secondly, the esram has absolutely nothing to do with vram, it is software managed cache. Thirdly, the esram is not ultra-fast, for all we really know it is a 4*256bit bus connected to a 853MHz quadruple of memory controllers that give you a 109GB/s bandwidth. There is voodoo-math by pr people ("We just discovered that can read and write at the same time") which suddenly doubles the numbers, but until someone really explains that voodoo bit, we can stick with a safe 109GB/s value. Fourthly, I don't get what you are trying to say in your last sentence. A 1080p g-buffer would eat 24Mbyte of your esram alone (hence why Ryse is only 900p, there wasn't enough esram left for the rest at 1080p).



iamdeath on 01 November 2013
eyeofcore said:
Ashadian said:
eyeofcore said:
Main and primary reason why a lot of games on Xbox One are below 1080p and even 720p is because of eSRAM that is used for GPU since developers need to learn to work with it and when they do then Xbox One will have a chance to outshine PlayStation 4 and since eSRAM is 28nm like the GPU then Microsoft most likely embedded it into GPU thus it will have way higher bandwidth than PlayStation 4 so it will be more efficient and more complex things can be done, since Xbox One has a weaker GPU I think that eSRAM will help to make it neck to neck and DDR3 RAM is fast enough and better for the CPU.

Also don't trust Sony fanboys, Sony was going to do the same thing as Microsoft and MIcrosoft was the sucker who went first and Sony said "O shit!" when they saw the negative reaction, I would not be surprised if some hackers/homebrews decide to not update PlayStation 4 and hack it and maybe they find out that Sony planned DRM.

Sony is a cocky company, that is why their fanbase is so dumb... They ruined gaming and they are worth only shit right now since 3rd party games are not as good as before nor those games are exclusives anymore form 3rd party.

This is a hilarious post!

Please come back when the X1 is neck and neck with the PS4!

It will never performance wise be neck and neck with the PS4

3 multipats show this

COD Ghosts,BF4 and NFS Rivals

The graphics arms race is over!


Yet my post is not hilarious because your post is hilarious since there is only 50% gap and that is small, it is not like 100% also there is no such leaps anymore like it was with Super Nintendo to Nintendo 64 or from PlayStation 1 to PlayStation 2 or from Xbox to Xbox 360. Your claim that it will never have performance of PlayStation 4 is laughable, remember when Xbox 360 was always ahead and there were Xbox fans saying that PlayStation 3 can't catch up yet it did and outperform... So... Yea.

First of all PlayStation 4 uses GDDR5 memory as primary and only memory so it is easier to program for it compared to Xbox One that has two memory types, DDR3 that does what it is suppose to do and eSRAM as VRAM that is cheaper and faster than GDDR5, but harder to work with and that is reason why games on Xbox One has couple of multi plats that are 720p and not 900p or 1080p. Xbox One has 32MB of eSRAM that is ultra fast and it only needs 16MB to achieve 1080p in single pass and rest can be used for AA's and other things.

As time goes on, developers will learn to handle eSRAM like they learned how to handle eDRAM in Xbox 360.

Nothing in Esram is faster then GDDR5.....sorry, totally factually wrong. Slapping 32 MB esram only hindered the x1 more, then helped, not sure what MS was thinking., It will never match the full unified GDDR5 unified memory of PS4. Not to mention the much more powerfull GPU.............

 

32 MB is miniscule, and only another middle tech to get through to the system. I t won;t come close to 1 fast pool of GDDR5...thats's tech 101.

 

 

Ps3 was totally different architecutre, PS4 isn;t and the gap is vastly bigger then last gen..so.......you have no clue what you are talking about.



iamdeath on 01 November 2013
eyeofcore said:
Main and primary reason why a lot of games on Xbox One are below 1080p and even 720p is because of eSRAM that is used for GPU since developers need to learn to work with it and when they do then Xbox One will have a chance to outshine PlayStation 4 and since eSRAM is 28nm like the GPU then Microsoft most likely embedded it into GPU thus it will have way higher bandwidth than PlayStation 4 so it will be more efficient and more complex things can be done, since Xbox One has a weaker GPU I think that eSRAM will help to make it neck to neck and DDR3 RAM is fast enough and better for the CPU.

Also don't trust Sony fanboys, Sony was going to do the same thing as Microsoft and MIcrosoft was the sucker who went first and Sony said "O shit!" when they saw the negative reaction, I would not be surprised if some hackers/homebrews decide to not update PlayStation 4 and hack it and maybe they find out that Sony planned DRM.

Sony is a cocky company, that is why their fanbase is so dumb... They ruined gaming and they are worth only shit right now since 3rd party games are not as good as before nor those games are exclusives anymore form 3rd party.

Sony was never going to do DRM.......................please post proof if you are going to make outlandish claims.

 

Not one tech article shows x1 ever being even withing 40% of the power of PS4...you have a lot to learn.



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BHR-3 on 01 November 2013

are very own nsanity couldnt wait for the truth to come out either, sadly he has now left us aswell as gaming


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michael_stutzer on 01 November 2013
eyeofcore said:

Yet my post is not hilarious because your post is hilarious since there is only 50% gap and that is small, it is not like 100% also there is no such leaps anymore like it was with Super Nintendo to Nintendo 64 or from PlayStation 1 to PlayStation 2 or from Xbox to Xbox 360. Your claim that it will never have performance of PlayStation 4 is laughable, remember when Xbox 360 was always ahead and there were Xbox fans saying that PlayStation 3 can't catch up yet it did and outperform... So... Yea.

First of all PlayStation 4 uses GDDR5 memory as primary and only memory so it is easier to program for it compared to Xbox One that has two memory types, DDR3 that does what it is suppose to do and eSRAM as VRAM that is cheaper and faster than GDDR5, but harder to work with and that is reason why games on Xbox One has couple of multi plats that are 720p and not 900p or 1080p. Xbox One has 32MB of eSRAM that is ultra fast and it only needs 16MB to achieve 1080p in single pass and rest can be used for AA's and other things.

As time goes on, developers will learn to handle eSRAM like they learned how to handle eDRAM in Xbox 360.

I'll leave a big LOL here. If only the developers learn how to use it. They say 32Mb is not enough, whereas in reality even 32MB is too much and you can use the rest for AA! Damn if that is not a powerful console I don't know what is.

Developers know how to use esram. The reason the resolutions are lower compared to PS4 is its GPU is weaker, much weaker. The system is bandwidth starved. 32Mb esram is ridiculously small. 64 MB would be a better but that would increase the size and costs. Esram is not a magical sauce that makes everything bettter, it is a help to increase the low bandwidth. Of course the amount is much less than ideal.

I'd like to think these are joke posts, I really do. Though every other day a new contender arrives.



iamdeath on 01 November 2013
michael_stutzer said:
eyeofcore said:

Yet my post is not hilarious because your post is hilarious since there is only 50% gap and that is small, it is not like 100% also there is no such leaps anymore like it was with Super Nintendo to Nintendo 64 or from PlayStation 1 to PlayStation 2 or from Xbox to Xbox 360. Your claim that it will never have performance of PlayStation 4 is laughable, remember when Xbox 360 was always ahead and there were Xbox fans saying that PlayStation 3 can't catch up yet it did and outperform... So... Yea.

First of all PlayStation 4 uses GDDR5 memory as primary and only memory so it is easier to program for it compared to Xbox One that has two memory types, DDR3 that does what it is suppose to do and eSRAM as VRAM that is cheaper and faster than GDDR5, but harder to work with and that is reason why games on Xbox One has couple of multi plats that are 720p and not 900p or 1080p. Xbox One has 32MB of eSRAM that is ultra fast and it only needs 16MB to achieve 1080p in single pass and rest can be used for AA's and other things.

As time goes on, developers will learn to handle eSRAM like they learned how to handle eDRAM in Xbox 360.

I'll leave a big LOL here. If only the developers learn how to use it. They say 32Mb is not enough, whereas in reality even 32MB is too much and you can use the rest for AA! Damn if that is not a powerful console I don't know what is.

Developers know how to use esram. The reason the resolutions are lower compared to PS4 is its GPU is weaker, much weaker. The system is bandwidth starved. 32Mb esram is ridiculously small. 64 MB would be a better but that would increase the size and costs. Esram is not a magical sauce that makes everything bettter, it is a help to increase the low bandwidth. Of course the amount is much less than ideal.

I'd like to think these are joke posts, I really do. Though every other day a new contender arrives.

Not sure why they are in so  much denail in the face of irrefutable facts.....x1 games will still look and run ok, just not as good as PS4........



michael_stutzer on 01 November 2013
BHR-3 said:
are very own nsanity couldnt wait for the truth to come out either, sadly he has now left us aswell as gaming


http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5662673

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/profile/55718/nsanity/


Damn! Huge news! Why is there no thread about it?



Pemalite on 01 November 2013
eyeofcore said:
Main and primary reason why a lot of games on Xbox One are below 1080p and even 720p is because of eSRAM that is used for GPU since developers need to learn to work with it and when they do then Xbox One will have a chance to outshine PlayStation 4 and since eSRAM is 28nm like the GPU then Microsoft most likely embedded it into GPU thus it will have way higher bandwidth than PlayStation 4 so it will be more efficient and more complex things can be done, since Xbox One has a weaker GPU I think that eSRAM will help to make it neck to neck and DDR3 RAM is fast enough and better for the CPU.


Even if the Xbox One had 8 Gigabytes of eSRAM running at 1TB/s it still won't outshine the Playstation 4.
The reason is simple, the hardware that shows the pretty images on screen, performs shader effects, shadows, lighting and other effects is in short supply on the Xbox One.



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