Can't disagree with them really. It's a pretty poor port, and there's a fair few problems with the framerate.

However, I don't think this reflects the overall power of the Wii U, more the effort that the developer put into the Wii U port (a fact that's echoed by the fact it's almost impossible to find a retail copy of the Wii U version).

i disagree with this because its just not one port, its almost every single port released, infact every single Mp game released at the sametime as the current gen versions has been inferior, now this is a console released in 2012 there is not excuse for developers to be struggling to beat ancient hardware released 7 years ago, heck even if they went with a 360 and just just upgraded the ram to 2gb of really fast ram it would be easily surpass current gen, the hardware is extremely gimped cause nintendo doesnt care about tech, as soon as you guys accept this the better.

Who are "You Guys", by chance? Pretty much everyone? It's probably fair to say that the majority of your posts have been very similar and say the same thing; "The Wii U is on par with the PS3 and 360", correct?

If you believe that, fine. It's clear that is your opinion, and nothing's going to change that. That's perfectly OK. However, you have to concede that, similarly, I am not going to change my opinion that the Wii U is more powerful, and games like X, Mario Kart and others show that nicely. And it's only going to improve as the system ages, as we found with this generation. I think this is a view shared by an awful lot of people here.

So perhaps you should stop trying so hard and just enjoy the site and the discussions, as opposed to trying to drill the same message into people's heads for the past 8 months or so. Because I don't think it's going to happen now, and maybe you'll enjoy the time on the site a bit more.

people can see what they want to see, X doesnt look any where as good as GTA5, and i can point out, why it looks techically much better, and mario kart, is lol worthy there many games on 360/ps3 that look techically bette, and thats false i hardly post here anymore.

GTA5 looks good but not as good as X. Ive seen X in direct feed and it looks amazing. And MK8 is blazing fast with a steady framerate and is all around beautiful. It may not be photo realistic but its by no means a slouch in the visual department. I doubt it could run on the PS3 or 360 in it current form. And Bayonetta 2 is another game that looks incredible and appears to be beyond the capabilities of the 360 and PS3. Which, imo, tells me that the Wii U is ahead of the last gen consoles as it should be.