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iamdeath on 30 August 2013
Zero999 said:
iamdeath said:
Zero999 said:
iamdeath said:
zorg1000 said:
iamdeath said:

A 50 dollar price cut won't fix whats wrong with the wii-u.


Whats wrong with it?

What isn't? No third party support, outdated architecture, and online infrastructure, over priced gamepad that most developers will never utlilize..The sales speak for themselves.

all of your points are lies. anything else?

?? The wii-u is struggling and sufffers from poor third party suport, and doesnt have the online infrastructure as sony or MS is lies? OK, what ever makes you sleep at night.

wii u is getting many third party multis and exclusives. no third party support = lie

wii u let's you buy and play games online, use miiverse and etc... and it's free. outdated online infrastructure = lie

wii u has the same resources the ps4 and Xone has. outdated architeture = lie

wii u's gamepad should barely increase the console price by $50 and it's a great plus. most devs are utilizing it even a little, you must have meant that most MAY not use it to the fullest.  over priced gamepad that most developers will never utlilize = lie


Third party support compared to the competiton is severalty lacking, I never said NONE. If you disagree with that you are simply wrong.

 

There is way more to online infrastructure then buying games....

 

Wii-u does not have NEAr the same resources, that is WELL documented.

 

Your whole arguments are fallacies and lies.



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Zero999 on 30 August 2013
iamdeath said:
Play4Fun said:


WiiU's problems are a lack of steady releases (And I'm talking mostly Nintendo first party games, not 3rd party games which unlike Playstation or xbox are not key to the success of a nintendo console), price (which they've taken steps to solve) , and marketing (still not wheree it needs to be).

online infrastructure has nothing to do with its' current troubles. To suggest that is so laughable.


BS, people who want serious MP gaming avoid Nintendo consoles for a reason.

nintendo is king regarding offline local multiplayer and ties with the others in regards with online MP.



iamdeath on 30 August 2013
Zero999 said:
iamdeath said:
Play4Fun said:


WiiU's problems are a lack of steady releases (And I'm talking mostly Nintendo first party games, not 3rd party games which unlike Playstation or xbox are not key to the success of a nintendo console), price (which they've taken steps to solve) , and marketing (still not wheree it needs to be).

online infrastructure has nothing to do with its' current troubles. To suggest that is so laughable.


BS, people who want serious MP gaming avoid Nintendo consoles for a reason.

nintendo is king regarding offline local multiplayer and ties with the others in regards with online MP.

ROFL.............Can't argue with this, it's too dillusional to even respond to.



Play4Fun on 30 August 2013
iamdeath said:
Play4Fun said:
iamdeath said:
Zero999 said:
iamdeath said:
zorg1000 said:
iamdeath said:

A 50 dollar price cut won't fix whats wrong with the wii-u.


Whats wrong with it?

What isn't? No third party support, outdated architecture, and online infrastructure, over priced gamepad that most developers will never utlilize..The sales speak for themselves.

all of your points are lies. anything else?

?? The wii-u is struggling and sufffers from poor third party suport, and doesnt have the online infrastructure as sony or MS is lies? OK, what ever makes you sleep at night.


WiiU's problems are a lack of steady releases (And I'm talking mostly Nintendo first party games, not 3rd party games which unlike Playstation or xbox are not key to the success of a nintendo console), price (which they've taken steps to solve) , and marketing (still not wheree it needs to be).

online infrastructure has nothing to do with its' current troubles. To suggest that is so laughable.


BS, people who want serious MP gaming avoid Nintendo consoles for a reason.


Tell what it is that the ps4/XOne online has that Wiiu's online doesn't and how that is somehow a big part of why Wii u is not selling as it should be.



iamdeath on 30 August 2013
Play4Fun said:
iamdeath said:
Play4Fun said:
iamdeath said:
Zero999 said:
iamdeath said:
zorg1000 said:
iamdeath said:

A 50 dollar price cut won't fix whats wrong with the wii-u.


Whats wrong with it?

What isn't? No third party support, outdated architecture, and online infrastructure, over priced gamepad that most developers will never utlilize..The sales speak for themselves.

all of your points are lies. anything else?

?? The wii-u is struggling and sufffers from poor third party suport, and doesnt have the online infrastructure as sony or MS is lies? OK, what ever makes you sleep at night.


WiiU's problems are a lack of steady releases (And I'm talking mostly Nintendo first party games, not 3rd party games which unlike Playstation or xbox are not key to the success of a nintendo console), price (which they've taken steps to solve) , and marketing (still not wheree it needs to be).

online infrastructure has nothing to do with its' current troubles. To suggest that is so laughable.


BS, people who want serious MP gaming avoid Nintendo consoles for a reason.


Tell what it is that the ps4/XOne online has that Wiiu's online doesn't and how that is somehow a big part of why Wii u is not selling as it should be.

Achievements, sensible friends system, messaging, integration into the console, grouping up, being able to share content with one click of a button, betas, Gaikai streaming for backwards compatibility, Media and TV integration, larger infrastructure, DVR capabilities...............

It is one fo the many things nintendo is way behind the competition in.



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Zero999 on 30 August 2013
iamdeath said:
Zero999 said:
iamdeath said:
Zero999 said:
iamdeath said:
zorg1000 said:
iamdeath said:

A 50 dollar price cut won't fix whats wrong with the wii-u.


Whats wrong with it?

What isn't? No third party support, outdated architecture, and online infrastructure, over priced gamepad that most developers will never utlilize..The sales speak for themselves.

all of your points are lies. anything else?

?? The wii-u is struggling and sufffers from poor third party suport, and doesnt have the online infrastructure as sony or MS is lies? OK, what ever makes you sleep at night.

wii u is getting many third party multis and exclusives. no third party support = lie

wii u let's you buy and play games online, use miiverse and etc... and it's free. outdated online infrastructure = lie

wii u has the same resources the ps4 and Xone has. outdated architeture = lie

wii u's gamepad should barely increase the console price by $50 and it's a great plus. most devs are utilizing it even a little, you must have meant that most MAY not use it to the fullest.  over priced gamepad that most developers will never utlilize = lie

Third party support compared to the competiton is severalty lacking, I never said NONE. If you disagree with that you are simply wrong.

There is way more to online infrastructure then buying games....

Wii-u does not have NEAr the same resources, that is WELL documented.

Your whole arguments are fallacies and lies.

Third party support compared to the competiton is severalty lacking, I never said NONE.

yes you did: "What isn't? No third party support"     and so far third party support is okay for wii u, it's not that much behind the others.

There is way more to online infrastructure then buying games....    buying and playing, what else does the magical online do on the others?

Wii-u does not have NEAr the same resources, that is WELL documented -  it has all modern features like DX11 equivalent and shader model. the only difference is raw power.

my arguments are pretty absolute and factual.



Gamerace on 30 August 2013
Zero999 said:
Gamerace said:

Reality check:

Virtual boy sales from July - Dec 95 = 350,000 (Jp/NA only) or 70,000/mth 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Boy

WiiU sales from Jan - June '13 = 550,000 (all markets) or 92,000/mth

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/07/31/exactly-how-bad-is-the-nintendo-situation

You take Europe and the rest of the world out of that equation and it's selling Virtual Boy numbers.  In fact, for the last four month worse than Virtual Boy dispite being available in far more regions.

I said many times that current sales are irrelevant for predictions. if wii u still sells badly after the big games come, then you would have a point. untill then it's a pointless "argument".

My original point was that WiiU might have a short life, allowing Nintendo to launch another (more powerful, innovative and mass appealing) system still early in this gen, which, if it has Wii-like sales, could win the gen over PS4 which will only appeal to gamers and largely split that market with XB1.

The virtual boy reference is proof Nintendo IS willing to kill poor selling hardware and at the moment WiiU is selling worse than virtual boy.

Obviously Nintendo is still committed to WiiU and will be until at least E3 2014 (which is the earliest they could/would possible announce a successor but I'm on record as predicting a new system won't come before 2016 but then, I also predicted 30m sales for WiiU which look dubious at best now).  

If the holiday onslaught of games and later Mario Kart 8/Smash Bros lift and maintain WiiU sales at a healthy level then Nintendo will keep it around.   If they merely spike sales and then they flatline again in January (with sales bumps for Kart/Smash) you better believe they'll be looking to move to replace WiiU ASAP.





 

iamdeath on 30 August 2013
Zero999 said:
iamdeath said:
Zero999 said:
iamdeath said:
Zero999 said:
iamdeath said:
zorg1000 said:
iamdeath said:

A 50 dollar price cut won't fix whats wrong with the wii-u.


Whats wrong with it?

What isn't? No third party support, outdated architecture, and online infrastructure, over priced gamepad that most developers will never utlilize..The sales speak for themselves.

all of your points are lies. anything else?

?? The wii-u is struggling and sufffers from poor third party suport, and doesnt have the online infrastructure as sony or MS is lies? OK, what ever makes you sleep at night.

wii u is getting many third party multis and exclusives. no third party support = lie

wii u let's you buy and play games online, use miiverse and etc... and it's free. outdated online infrastructure = lie

wii u has the same resources the ps4 and Xone has. outdated architeture = lie

wii u's gamepad should barely increase the console price by $50 and it's a great plus. most devs are utilizing it even a little, you must have meant that most MAY not use it to the fullest.  over priced gamepad that most developers will never utlilize = lie

Third party support compared to the competiton is severalty lacking, I never said NONE. If you disagree with that you are simply wrong.

There is way more to online infrastructure then buying games....

Wii-u does not have NEAr the same resources, that is WELL documented.

Your whole arguments are fallacies and lies.

Third party support compared to the competiton is severalty lacking, I never said NONE.

yes you did: "What isn't? No third party support"     and so far third party support is okay for wii u, it's not that much behind the others.

There is way more to online infrastructure then buying games....    buying and playing, what else does the magical online do on the others?

Wii-u does not have NEAr the same resources, that is WELL documented -  it has all modern features like DX11 equivalent and shader model. the only difference is raw power.

my arguments are pretty absolute and factual.

No they are not...they are dillusional.

there is a lot more to a system then Dx11, dx11 is years old......................thats a gross over simplification and cherry pickign at its best:

 

As for online, there is a LOT moe to onlione integration the playing gages:  Achievements, sensible friends system, messaging, integration into the console, grouping up, being able to share content with one click of a button, betas, Gaikai streaming for backwards compatibility, Media and TV integration, larger infrastructure, DVR capabilities...............

It is one fo the many things nintendo is way behind the competition in.



SlayerRondo on 30 August 2013

Do you even need to ask?

Even if Sony doesn't win it, Microsoft sure will lose it.



This is the Game of Thrones

Where you either win

or you DIE

Zero999 on 30 August 2013
iamdeath said:
Play4Fun said:


Tell what it is that the ps4/XOne online has that Wiiu's online doesn't and how that is somehow a big part of why Wii u is not selling as it should be.

Achievements, sensible friends system, messaging, integration into the console, grouping up, being able to share content with one click of a button, betas, Gaikai streaming for backwards compatibility, Media and TV integration, larger infrastructure, DVR capabilities...............

It is one fo the many things nintendo is way behind the competition in.

as far as I know achievements are irrelevant, wii u has a friend system and messaging, will be integrated to the console (although it's unrelated to online structure), what's grouping up?, you can share content on miiverse, having to re-buy games for BC is not an advantage, nintendo tvii, larger infrastructute?, DVR capabilities?

even after all of this pointless thiscussion you still weren't clear and most of what you said has nothing to do with gaming.