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darkknightkryta on 17 August 2013
dsgrue3 said:

Is fachhochschule the equivalent of graduate school, more along the lines of a Master's degree or is University just 2 years there and then the next 2 are fachhochschule? 

It sounds like a similar curriculum from the standpoint of theory, but the way it was structured here was adding the practical aspect of coding the algorithms, programs, principles, and even maths with differential equations. Every bit of theory was related back to coding, except in physics/calc and the general university required courses.

I hated MIPS, I hated assembly. That low level stuff never seemed interesting to me. One thing I regret is not taking the lab for digital logic to play with the FPGAs and such. I imagine it would have been very beneficial to seeing more than just the theory, seeing the adders and MUXs and all that.

You didn't miss much, all you see is a bunch of lights light up to tell you your output.  The x86 assembly however, that was fun.



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Gamecube on 17 August 2013

PS4 fans are in a tizzy. Very amusing:) Doesn't matter what facts or theories come, pre or post launch. Sony fans will always "Make.Believe" what they want.

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walsufnir on 17 August 2013
darkknightkryta said:
dsgrue3 said:

Is fachhochschule the equivalent of graduate school, more along the lines of a Master's degree or is University just 2 years there and then the next 2 are fachhochschule? 

It sounds like a similar curriculum from the standpoint of theory, but the way it was structured here was adding the practical aspect of coding the algorithms, programs, principles, and even maths with differential equations. Every bit of theory was related back to coding, except in physics/calc and the general university required courses.

I hated MIPS, I hated assembly. That low level stuff never seemed interesting to me. One thing I regret is not taking the lab for digital logic to play with the FPGAs and such. I imagine it would have been very beneficial to seeing more than just the theory, seeing the adders and MUXs and all that.

You didn't miss much, all you see is a bunch of lights light up to tell you your output.  The x86 assembly however, that was fun.


So yiu have no idea what FPGAs can do. Thanks for telling us.



darkknightkryta on 17 August 2013
walsufnir said:
darkknightkryta said:
dsgrue3 said:

Is fachhochschule the equivalent of graduate school, more along the lines of a Master's degree or is University just 2 years there and then the next 2 are fachhochschule? 

It sounds like a similar curriculum from the standpoint of theory, but the way it was structured here was adding the practical aspect of coding the algorithms, programs, principles, and even maths with differential equations. Every bit of theory was related back to coding, except in physics/calc and the general university required courses.

I hated MIPS, I hated assembly. That low level stuff never seemed interesting to me. One thing I regret is not taking the lab for digital logic to play with the FPGAs and such. I imagine it would have been very beneficial to seeing more than just the theory, seeing the adders and MUXs and all that.

You didn't miss much, all you see is a bunch of lights light up to tell you your output.  The x86 assembly however, that was fun.


So yiu have no idea what FPGAs can do. Thanks for telling us.

Nope XD.  I just remember what our final lab was and it was to program an eprom.  We had them hooked up the the boards and the only way we knew what was programmed right was a light indicator to let us know our bits were right.  We had to draw up a lot of designs for boolean circuits though.  But that was for the other portion of the class.



drkohler on 17 August 2013
walsufnir said:

So yiu have no idea what FPGAs can do. Thanks for telling us.

Well I can't speak past programming GALs and PALs and EEEProms but my guess is in an introductory lab, that is exactly what you will see, a bunch of leds lighting up, telling you what went wrong or not with your fpga. It's not like you are learning to program an fpga that runs a microscope on mars (what my colleagues did, fascinating stuff to watch being developed).



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walsufnir on 17 August 2013
drkohler said:
walsufnir said:

So yiu have no idea what FPGAs can do. Thanks for telling us.

Well I can't speak past programming GALs and PALs and EEEProms but my guess is in an introductory lab, that is exactly what you will see, a bunch of leds lighting up, telling you what went wrong or not with your fpga. It's not like you are learning to program an fpga that runs a microscope on mars (what my colleagues did, fascinating stuff to watch being developed).

 

Well, blinking lights was our task, too - in the first week. We had to write a full fpu on FPGAs with a serial interface to get data to the board and back. It was very hard to begin with but in the end it was a lot of fun. Thing is FPGAs are performance beasts but lack floating-point operations. Our fpu could run any operation (add, sub, mult, divide) on full 50MHz of the Xilinx-board, conversions didn't even have a clocked data-path ;)



walsufnir on 17 August 2013
darkknightkryta said:
walsufnir said:
darkknightkryta said:
dsgrue3 said:

Is fachhochschule the equivalent of graduate school, more along the lines of a Master's degree or is University just 2 years there and then the next 2 are fachhochschule? 

It sounds like a similar curriculum from the standpoint of theory, but the way it was structured here was adding the practical aspect of coding the algorithms, programs, principles, and even maths with differential equations. Every bit of theory was related back to coding, except in physics/calc and the general university required courses.

I hated MIPS, I hated assembly. That low level stuff never seemed interesting to me. One thing I regret is not taking the lab for digital logic to play with the FPGAs and such. I imagine it would have been very beneficial to seeing more than just the theory, seeing the adders and MUXs and all that.

You didn't miss much, all you see is a bunch of lights light up to tell you your output.  The x86 assembly however, that was fun.


So yiu have no idea what FPGAs can do. Thanks for telling us.

Nope XD.  I just remember what our final lab was and it was to program an eprom.  We had them hooked up the the boards and the only way we knew what was programmed right was a light indicator to let us know our bits were right.  We had to draw up a lot of designs for boolean circuits though.  But that was for the other portion of the class.


To me it was one class. You had to code in VHDL, you had to write down graphs, data-paths and stuff (until we found out there is a tool for it in the tool-chain by Xilinx :D), we had to do reports, clock analysis... It was very intense, like all labs at my university.



TimCliveroller on 17 August 2013

The situation is quite funny: many "well-instructed" people in the technical arts and they still have no clue about what they' talking about. Most of this stuff is wishful thinking. There are no hard facts yet, only company propaganda; just wait for the consoles to be released and get dissected. Even then, some will probably not accept the situation.



Ex Graphics Whore.

IHateLife on 17 August 2013
Adinnieken said:
the-pi-guy said:

The U.S. has Computer Engineering.  In fact according to this, it has different applications compared to Computer Science.  

http://www.eng.buffalo.edu/undergrad/academics/degrees/cs-vs-cen

I suppose you might know better than a college what colleges offer.  

Or, as it is more likely, things have changed.

There used to be no such thing as a "computer engineer".  In fact, at one place of employement, this was actually an issue because we were calling ourselves engineers.  In the past, if you wanted to specialize in computer engineering, you got an electrical engineering degree or depending on how indepth you wanted to get, a physics degree.  As an example, Georgia Tech's computer engineering program is within the electrical engineering school.  Same with Iowa State. 

And to show just how much of a joke at one time "computer engineering" degrees were, they were originally a degree offered by schools like ITT and Devry. 

Heck, 20 years ago a computer science degree wasn't even specialized.  If you were going into networking, programming, or systems you learned the same thing as everyone else.  Today, there are various computer science degrees for each field of study. 

Likewise it would appear that schools have developed a computer engineering program.  GATech's definitely seems to be a solid engineering program.

Computer Engineering has existed in universities since the 90s', just throwing it out there. The courses back then were so close to EE and also CS at the same time that you might as well just take the EE ones and CS ones for the extra credits anyways though. You can pretty much walk out of school with EE/CE/CS degree since CE is right in the middle.

Georgia Tech is the place to be though, even though the state of Georgia doesn't seem to be very interesting at all.



RazorDragon on 17 August 2013

Since the CPUs are the same, there'll be no major graphical difference. Think PS3 vs 360, but maybe even less. Anyone thinking the two consoles will have major differences graphically-wise is fooling themselves, specially after the upgrades XOne received.