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foxtail on 15 August 2013

When this betrayal topic comes up people always focus on Squaresoft and FF7, though they shouldn't.   Nintendo must have seen what was coming long before Squaresoft moved out of their US headquarters  in Redmond Washington (which was literally located right next to Nintendo's own US HQ).  They had very close communications with each other back then and they both knew that their exclusive relationship was coming to an end with Squarsoft's new ambitions and the N64 cartridge limitations.

On the other hand Nintendo failed to get a game series on the N64 which was completely possible on cartridges and that was already multi-platform. That game was Street Fighter.  Sales of SFII were huge back then, even in Japan where Street Fighter II:The World Warrior outsold Final Fantasy VI.

Street Fighter II: TWW SNES sales in Japan = 2.87 million

Final Fantasy VI SNES sales in Japan = 2.55 million

Street Fighter II was one of the best selling 3rd party games on the SNES, if not the best.   Failing to put a single Street Fighter game on the N64 was one of the biggest blunders for Nintendo, and Capcom is especially at fault here too.





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S.T.A.G.E. on 15 August 2013

All the Japanese core JRPG's were on the Playstation. Sony built a relationship with japan through JRPG's, problem is they dropped the ball big time. They were the torch holders who popularized JRPG's WW after JRPG's jumped to Sony from Nintendo.



S.T.A.G.E. on 15 August 2013
Hynad said:
happydolphin said:
Mummelmann said:

Writing an unreasonable contract for all to see is not backstabbing, secrectly changing business partners under your current partners nose and making the announcement as a sort of public "f-u" is the  very definition of backstabbing. Why didn't Nintendo simply try to bargain for a better contract from the start? Again, all I'm seeing is that every decision and tactic (even the dirty ones) employed by Nintendo are defended to the last breath (usually, not always). Nintendo did not treat 3rd parties well at all during the NES and SNES era and in regards to the Sony/Nintendo venture, Sony were bitches for making such unreasonable claims, especially since they had no hold in that part of the entertainment industry but Nintendo were even bigger bitches going behind their back like that, like it or not.

For Nintendos backwards ways, betrayal and pride, one can't claim that they didn't deserve to be outsold in the 5th and 6th console generation, much like one cannot claim that it's unfair that the PS3 was outsold in the 7th gen.

Besides, there is great irony in the fact that Nintendo resented losing control over titles yet it is precisely their previous near monopoly on 3rd parties and treating them like crap that got them into all that trouble to begin with regarding publishing on their consoles from the N64 and onwards. This whole mess they're in since two decades back or more, is mostly on them, it's not simply everybody else's fault.

I've admitted many times so far that Nintendo's treatment of third parties was not saintly.

As for Sony injecting a clause like that, it's preposterous at best... this was Nintendo's console they were revamping. You can call one backstabbing and the other not, but it's just a question of how you see it at that point.

That's what I said, no? There are the facts. And then there's the interpretation you make of them and "the way you want to see it at that point".

When you get a copy of that contract, I want to see it too. Until then, all of your arguments about Sony being stealthily with that contract are nothing but assumptions. 


If you want him to snap just say the word "gimmick". It has a Rumplestilskin effect :)



DevilRising on 31 August 2013

What do you mean "welcome back Japan"? Japan as a whole has been more into portable gaming systems since the Game Boy. Fact. The GBA and DS were super popular in the Japan. It's telling that they liked the PSP but don't give two shits about the Vita. The 3DS is the current "thing", but Japan also pretty heavily supported the Wii.

It's no mystery why Japan wasn't as strong on N64. It's because Japanese gamers really love rpgs. Third parties were retarded and put hardly any out on N64. End of story.