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zorg1000 on 10 October 2013
Zod95 said:
zorg1000 said:

 

 

unless you use graphics and game engines from the 5th generation. And the same happens with Assassin's Creed, Batman, The Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Tom Clancy's games, Bioshock, Fallout, etc. Were you willing to play any of those games with graphics and physics similar to Crash Bandicoot? Of course not.

Wii was a huge success at the beginning but a long-term failure considering the whole generation.

I agree with alot of what ur saying but these 2 statements I have to question.

Wii is more powerful than PS2/GC/Xbox so at worst case scenario if 3rd parties made those games on Wii they would have similar graphics and physics as games like GTA San Andreas, Splinter Cell Choas Theory, Prince of Persia, Resident Evil 4, Elder Scrolls 3, Knights of the Old Republic. Clearly not as good as PS360 but much better than what ur claiming.

Also Wii can in no way be considered a failure, it sold 100m units and made billions of dollars


No, they wouldn't. If you wanted GTA IV...that game, with those levels, those mechanics, that urban life complexity...everything precisely like it is but with worse graphics, you couldn't run it on the Wii with graphics from 6th generation. That would never be possible just because physics, AI, etc. consume resources too. GTA San Andreas wasn't as demanding in all of these aspects. That's why GTA IV has worse graphics than the standard of the 7th generation (because its complexity consumes a lot of resources from PS3 or X360) and I consider it 6.5th generation. To run it on Wii, it would have to be with graphics like Zelda Ocarina of Time or Crash Bandicoot.

 

As for the Wii sales, successes and failures rely on expectactions. In a long-term view, Wii can be considered as a long-term failure because of these reasons:

- Nintendo home consoles had more or less these market shares: NES - 90% ; SNES - 60% ; N64 - 30% ; GC - 12% ... and now Wii is at 38.7% (and declining). Is this a success regarding Nintendo's history?

- Wii's 1st place in HW total sales is at risk. In the next few years PS3 may surpass it.

- Wii lost the generation in SW total sales. Here at VG Chartz we can't see digital sales but, considering them too, both PS3 and X360 have already more games sold than the Wii.

- Wii's declining since 2010 hasn't stopped and it made a very successful console to become miserable in weekly sales and reputation, leaving a bad heritage for the Wii U, which is now facing very hard conditions because of that.

 

I understand you can have a different view about Wii and I respect it. But this is mine.

My mistake on the first part, I thought u were Iimplying Wii was only as powerful as PS1. Maybe ur right if it was a straight downport but if they made a version built from the ground up for Wii then it would be able to surpass San Andreas.

If success is based on expectations then Wii was an enormous success because nobody thought it would come close to reaching 100m when it was first released. The ultimate goal of a product is to make money and Wii made billions, yes it didnt last as long as thr competition but it followed a typical nintendo cycle of 5-6 years. The Wii didnt fail, Nintendo just failed to follow up its success.



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nin10do on 11 October 2013

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/wii-u-uk-sales-spike-685-on-zelda-launch/0122477

It begins...



RedPikmin95 on 11 October 2013

Wii U sales increased by 2000 % in the netherlands lol
http://www.insidegamer.nl/nieuws/107545/wii-u-doet-het-goed-bij-game-mania



Dr.EisDrachenJaeger on 11 October 2013

Nintendo sells WiiU's in the NetherLands?



JoeTheBro on 11 October 2013
Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
Nintendo sells WiiU's in the NetherLands?

Why wouldn't they?



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Dr.EisDrachenJaeger on 11 October 2013

^ They dont sell them in Poland/Norway as far as I know.

 

They really gotta start expanding and selling more of their systems in these markets. They're the least expensive after al



Zod95 on 11 October 2013
zorg1000 said:

My mistake on the first part, I thought u were Iimplying Wii was only as powerful as PS1. Maybe ur right if it was a straight downport but if they made a version built from the ground up for Wii then it would be able to surpass San Andreas.

And do you think they would ever do it? Rockstar? Picking their number 1 IP and creating a version from the ground for just 1 console? And that console would be a casual one like the Wii? Never.

Look at what they did on 3DS: they decided to take a small risk (producing a handheld game) at the console with around 70% of the market and tailored for touch-screen and the casual experience. What was the result? Bad sales... so bad that they ported it to PSP (less market share, no touch-screen and not tailored to the casual experience) and it sold nearly as much. If they took a big risk (a GTA for 1 single home console)...on the Wii...then it would have been an epic fail.

On the other hand, look at the sales AAA hardcore games like Assassin's Creed III and Batman Arkham City are having on the Wii U. Those are almost epic fails (they aren't just that much because they were released on other consoles and they sold very well on them).

 

zorg1000 said:

If success is based on expectations then Wii was an enormous success because nobody thought it would come close to reaching 100m when it was first released. The ultimate goal of a product is to make money and Wii made billions, yes it didnt last as long as thr competition but it followed a typical nintendo cycle of 5-6 years. The Wii didnt fail, Nintendo just failed to follow up its success.

...on your point of view, yes it was. But now that the 7th generation is ending, my point of view is more long-term and, as I already demonstrated, I consider the Wii as a long-term failure. And don't forget that many people, like the creator of this forum topic, expected the Wii to sell 500M. On their point of view, the Wii is for sure a failure too.

 

zorg1000 said:

The ultimate goal of a product is to make money and Wii made billions, yes it didnt last as long as thr competition but it followed a typical nintendo cycle of 5-6 years. The Wii didnt fail, Nintendo just failed to follow up its success.

Not for me. The ultimate goal of a product for me as a gamer is to make me happy (to amuse me, to challenge me, to touch me). And as a videogaming enthusiast (like we all that post on gaming forums are) the thing that matters the most to tell whether a console was a success or a failure is popularity: number of consoles sold, number of games sold... not how heavy are the pockets of who is behind the industry. I know Nintendo profited more from this generation than Sony or Microsoft. But that is a flag that even the most Nintendo extreme fans should be ashamed of ever using to claim Nintendo's success. As a PS3 owner, I'm proud that all the money I spend goes to the development of more games and consoles (for me that's success) and not to the pockets of greedy men (for me that's failure).



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

Dr.EisDrachenJaeger on 11 October 2013

Funny some people bring up sales to back up their points but it just flops under closer examination.

Look game like Resident Evil have done well on Nintendo console. How things sell is a version of circumstance. Always is. If you dont put in effort you wont get results. AC3 did what 0.18 million world wide? Probably chump change to ubisoft. But ZombiU had multiple shipments is sitting close to 500K units sold worldwide. Again people will buy things on the console.

GTA is like Lego City.

Nintendo invests their money into games and employees. Everyone else wastes their money. That's the point.

 

You forget, Nintendo see's themselves as a toy company. Gotta keep people happy and interested. That's what they're working on. Cant twist it any other way.

The Wii isnt a long term failure. It did carry on the negative PR that nintendo recieved in the gamecube era, but its a process that is continuing

Nintendo and bawked up their transition period. That's their failure. A failure they're learning from. I just hope they move quickly enough.

I dont think we'd have this problem if the WiiU had those Rogue Squadron games and the other stuff that got cancelled.



Kaizar on 11 October 2013
Torillian said:
nin10do said:

Don't know if this has been posted yet but since the topic is censorship: 

 

 

http://videogamescene.com/sony-to-censor-indie-developers/


But their actions say different.  Miami Heat is on PS3 and PSV with some sadistic violence and I'd have to assume substance abuse.  Do you have any instance of Nintendo allowing a game on their consoles that weren't allowed by Sony or MS?  Because I know an instance of the reverse situation, but I don't know any that go in that direction.


It says PS4.

NOT PS3 NOR PS Vita.



Damkos on 11 October 2013
Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:

^ They dont sell them in Poland/Norway as far as I know.

 

They really gotta start expanding and selling more of their systems in these markets. They're the least expensive after al

I'm from Poland. You can buy a Wii U perfectly fine, especially on e-bay like site Allegro.pl where most of online shopping is done. Naturally, you can also visit the shop yourself. I'm doing so tomorrow to get my copy of Pokemon X :)

However, the only solid game sales data I know is that GTA V sold about 100.000 copies in Poland since launch.

I'd say things are changing a bit, NIntendo got a publisher in Poland to translate instruction booklets into Polish. Yay. Still, in shops like Tesco, Carrefour in the gaming section you can only see PS3, Xbox360  and psp, sometimes one Wii. NO sign of Wii U, PSVita though.

There are 40 milion people in Poland. That's quite a market, certainly bigger than netherlands or Norway.