Seece, the man that won't desist.

This reply is dedicated to my man Seece.
All the references to me in his replies to others. The least I can do is respond.
Point-by-point rebuttal follows. Links to direct post ahead of each reply.

I will offer bitesize replies because it's unneccessery to churn out an essay 0_o

Seece's reply to Incubi in reference to the "saying, essentially, nothing" remark.
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5665194

Hahahahahaha! Mumbo jumbo. So dismissive.
Seece, I'm VERY serious about what I have said here. I mean each & every word.
And you may not appreciate my reasoning but it IS solid. I back up everything I say if not with a source then with a logical argument.
But you should be entertained, Seece. Throughout it all, I like to keep it fun.

No it isn't, I can't actually pinpoint any reasoning and what the hell has sources got to do with anything, stop living in the past like it's gonna tell you the future.

Seece's brief reply to me as I talk with RedPikmin95 about Nintendo not intending Wii to be a "casual console".
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5665406

How do you know this?
In the late 1980s/early 1990s, did the vast majority of NES owners want or settle for what the Sega Genesis had to offer?
Did they all stick with Nintendo for the SNES?
In the mid 1990s, did the vast majority of those who wanted & settled for the Sega Genesis want or to settle for what the Sony PlayStation had to offer?
In the mid 2000s, did all those who wanted & settled for both the Sony PlayStation 1 & 2 want or settle for what the Microsoft XBox 360 had to offer?
More importantly how about the Nintendo Wii? Did they want or settle for what Wii had to offer?

A) It was a very different landscape back then with fewer competitors.
B) Even then no Nintendo system except Wii has ever done incredibly numbers.
C) I don't even see your point here anyhow, why don't you type that out instead?

You're too caught up in NOW. You can only see how things are NOW & think that's how they will always be.
I can see you in 2011: "It has been a year now. The 3DS is a failure. It is not keeping pace with the DS with launches aligned. People are waiting it out for the Vita and are not willing to settle on last-gen ports & remakes."
You couldn't fathom a turnaround because at that present moment it had not reached that point.

Nope, 3DS always had Pokemon coming, and I was never even vocal about the platform because I don't care about handhelds. I really need to stress though, that despite a significant price cut and games, the 3DS is still VERY underwhelming in the US and especially Europe, it didn't take THAT intervention to get the DS going. Yes 3DS will do very well this holiday with Pokemon and the Japanese supporting it, but it still isn't at DS level and despite how it does over the holiday, it won't be continuing the DS level momentum into the new year (if it gets that at all).

Despite tablets and phones burning dedicated gaming handheld shares I still believe there is a market for them, but this is a market Nintendo has always dominated, so using it as an example is weak and you know. You're comparing Xbox One and PS4 to Vita, do me a favour.

In 2004, you couldn't see any chance for Microsoft or Nintendo to challenge to the home console dominance of Sony & the PS2.
In 2004, you probably thought Nintendo was done for & would end up like Sega.

Wasn't even into talking about Videogames at that age, wasn't even aware of the industry much tbh! The very big difference there however is that that was BEFORE the systems launched, WiiU has been out for 10 months now and it's failing. Would many have said WiiU would have failed this bad prior launch. I don't think so.

In 2013, you think the tandem of PlayStation & XBox (7th gen's PS360) will remain intact in the incoming generation.

Every generation is different & things play out differently.
The incumbent champion CAN go on to win another round but things happen differently than last gen.
I'm preparing you for the reality that this unofficial double platform cannot & will not survive in the 8th gen.
And once one of them drops, it changes the interactions between the 3rd party & Nintendo because the 3rd party will be faced with survival.
They depend on that PS360 combination to make sales. But if there's no PX4One combo, how are they gonna make their money back selling on just one platform?
It is at THAT time that they'll make the decision to put games on Wii U & gamers will follow because they go where their games go.
Now how is this so difficult to grasp?

Your reasoning here is a complete and utter joke. Stop talking crap about champions. Your reasoning (is there actually any reasoning?) Xbox One and PS4 won't survive is weak and simply won't happen, they have strong first party support, strong third party support but most importantly that market is in tact, unlike the audience for the Wii that has largely dissipated elsewhere.

It's all just a fantasy in your head, that's what it reads like.

First Seece's point-by-point rebuttal to nin10do's predictions.
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5666221

XBox One & PlayStation 4 will most likely have good launches. But don't get too caught up in launch fever.
I already talked about Sega Dreamcast's excellent launch in this thread.
And remember that people were getting shot in the streets & robbed at gunpoint for Sony's PS3.
It would be fair to say interest was high for that console too.
But what happened in the aftermath? What happened once launch fever wore off?
Pyramids of PS3s stacked in the aisles of stores.

Dreamcast launched before PS2. PS3? Went on to be very successful and will outsell Wii lifetime, it has had a far more sustainable lifespan to boot, that's what happened. Xbox One and PS4 will offer PS360 owners what they want, you can't grasp this or refuse too.

I can tell that you're gonna be constantly surprised at Wii U's turnaround in the near future.
You don't seem to have vision for the future. Too caught up in the present.
Just remember that I told you it would happen. You heard it here first.

I'm not because it isn't going to happen, I predict anywhere from 3.5 - 5.5m WiiU's this holiday, but I would say 2m~ in the US, 1m in Europe and Japan ... I have no idea, it's a wildcard and even Wii only sold 13m there lifetime.

Ha! Graphical improvements. Graphics don't mean nothing anymore, Seece.
I have posted the Killzone comparison umpteen times in this thread. The jump ain't there. The leap ain't there.
Both have more immersive controller inputs??? HAHAHAHAHA!!!
You mean Sony with that SAME SNES/N64 derivative called the DualShock?
The exact same it has been for the past 20 years only this time it has a little screen on the front?
Microsoft's XBox One controller looks virtually the same as the XBox 360 controller.
All that's different is the specialized Rumble called Impulse Triggers. And the battery pack is more flush inside the controller body.
System OS enhancements? What? Hahahahahaha.
Much better online functionality? More servers, eh. Hmm.
All I can say Seece is prepare to be surprised at the 8th gen's outcome.
You're probably not gonna like it but we tried to prepare you for it.

Yes, all you can do is laugh because you clearly don't have a clue what each offer (have you even done your homework on these systems? tsktsk)

MS and Sony are improving on stuff gamers like and want, not throwing stuff at a wall and hoping it sticks (Gamepad).

The Nintendo 3DS launched in Japan on February 26, 2011 & March 11, 2011 in North America well ahead of the 2011 holiday season.
After a pretty good launch (that didn't quite match Nintendo's sales goals), 3DS went into Slumpsville.
It was so bad Nintendo made the biggest price drop in recent memory to jumpstart the system & it STILL didn't really help.
But once Nintendo unloaded their bounty of varied games & trusted franchise players, sales rebounded magically overnight & Nintendo had a pretty good holiday season worldwide.
Next year at 2012's holiday season, 3DS didn't just do "pretty good" it did FANTASTIC around the world.
And in 2013's holiday season, it will do even better than that.
The Fall and Rise of Nintendo's 3DS

DS set the tone for Wii. 3DS sets the tone for Wii U.
Wii U had great sales at launch putting it right in league with Wii's figures for opening November & December combined.
And just like 3DS it will rebound for its 2nd holiday season then get even stronger for its next then DOMINATE the next.

Every generation's different. NES dominated the 3rd gen with no chance of challenge.
SNES had to fight for its food against the strong challenger Sega Genesis/Mega Drive in the 4th gen.
PS1 & PS2 dominated their competition on the sales charts in the 5th & 6th gens.
PS3 WAS dominated by their competition in the 7th gen.
So Wii U will not begin like Wii but Wii U will end better than Wii did.
Whether you believe it or not, watch what I say. Your clue to Wii U's progress is the 3DS. That's your sign.

Summertime. The summertime slump.
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D came out for the suddenly struggling 3DS in June of 2011.
That Zelda didn't change the fortunes for the 3DS either & about a month later Nintendo did the $80 price cut.
Pikmin releases in August that summertime period. Outside of phenomenal-sellers like Wii in its first few years, most consoles usually take a dip in the summertime.
Handhelds seem to jump in June as kids are getting gifts for graduating their grade or to give them something to do on the summer road trip.
But for the most part all consoles do weaker in the summer.

Once the 3DS picked up by the holidays though that Zelda assisted in its selling power.
The same will go for Pikmin this holiday season. It all builds up & then explodes. The pressure principle.
Nintendo adding to the pressure of Wii U by unloading a mass of killer games to lock down the holidays.
He is right. Buzz IS building. And judging from my co-worker who was once all about Vita & now has bought a 3DS, buzz for 3DS is getting higher too.
Expect big Nintendo explosions on the charts this holiday season as Iwata makes good on his ¥100 billion/$ 1 billion profit call for fiscal 2013.

I can't wait to see your face when the sales come out.
Simultaneous 4-player in a 3D Mario game has never been done before.It will be a MAJOR hit.
Mario Kart is a phenomenon on its own. A Miiverse-empowered Mario Kart will make it even more so.
Wow. It's gonna be sweet to see your reaction. The wait is killing me!

That IS all Sony & Microsoft offer. They have not added anything useful to the gameplay experience that Nintendo hasn't already done.
Yep all those God of War, Halo, GTA folks will jump on board Wii U. That's right. But not just because of Smash.
There's gonna be a host of games that will be too compelling for them to turn down despite the 3rd party's best efforts to sabotage this console.
Throughout the 8th gen Wii U will be siphoning off Sony's & Microsoft's fanbase.

I personally know a serious Sega fan who went to Microsoft after Sega fell out of the console business.
He's BIG into XBox 360 & is all about Xbox One. But in his house is a Wii U bought at launch. And he plays it along with his son.
He was always a non-Nintendo man. Not necessarily that he hates them but he liked Sega more.

The Sony & Microsoft fans don't have to buy Wii U as their primary console, no.
In fact it will be BETTER that Wii U is thought of as the secondary console because just like Wii that will ensure it gets into more homes than just being the primary one.
So you take all the folks (like me) who will make Wii U their one & only—their primary console, then take all the XOne & PS4 folks who make Wii U their junior—their secondary console, and you have a DOMINANT console overall.
It's all about selling games & selling consoles to play them. And making a profit in the process while influencing the future of the videogame world.
Wii U is best poised to do this & you will see this within the next 15 months.

nin10do puts his money where his mouth is. Money don't grow on trees & I don't think a guy who admitted elsewhere in this thread that he was once all gungho about the PS4 (after the E3 XBox One fiasco) is foolishly frittering his money away.
He saw something that has his confidence in the company up. He sees what I see & he's making sure that he will benefit from the rise.
Good stock market players defy conventional wisdom. The crowd usually doesn't have foresight. Individuals do.
The crowd then follows the individual who led the way. The crowd is more caught up in the safety of numbers so by design they cannot step out on a limb.
They will not go against the group because they need the comfort of those numbers.
The individual can go it alone & work independently of the crowd & will see things no one else sees.
They don't need the crowd for validation.
That's why inventions usually come from one person instead of a group of people.

Nintendo certainly functions in an individualistic fashion. They don't follow the crowd & often DEFY the crowd.
When everybody goes right, here's Nintendo going left. When everybody goes right again, here's Nintendo going forward.
They leave the X-axis & go straight to the Z-axis! Not just the opposite direction on the same dimension but a totally different direction on a whole 'nother dimension!

nin10do's not guessing. nin10do knows. And nin10do will laugh once the crowd catches up to what he sees & I see...
...with his stacks of cash from strengthening Nintendo stock.

3rd parties are playing games as always. Political games, that is. They will be broken & humbled this generation.
They can't help but to be interested once their vehicle crashes. That vehicle known in the 7th gen as the PS360 combination.
PX4One won't sustain. They can't depend on the dual platforms of Sony & Microsoft this generation. One or both will drop this gen.
And they will come crawling to the Wii U sooner or later. The easy way or the hard way.

nin10do has shared with me in private messages the hidden hardware potential of Wii U.
I'm impressed by it but I'm more impressed by Nintendo's software potential.
This foolishness about significant gaps. The PS2 had a significant gap versus the GC & XB. But that didn't stop it from becoming the best-selling home console of all time, did it?
Based on nin10do's private messages, I'm inclined to believe him on that last part.
The big shock this generation will be how One & PS4 don't look significantly better than 360 & PS3.
I'm just waiting for the shoe to drop.

Then from same post, Seece's after-remarks to nin10do.
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5666221

You still believe in this "casual" bull, don't you? The casuals. The casuals.
You don't realize that you're just spewing marketer talk, right? No such thing as casuals. No such thing as hardcores.
I have explained that point many times in this thread.

You seem like the kind of guy who wouldn't think the Titanic could ever sink.
Who wouldn't think Three Mile Island would have a nuclear meltdown.
Who wouldn't think Atari could ever be dethroned from the videogame kingdom.
Who wouldn't think Apple could ever dethrone Sony from the portable music world.
Who wouldn't think tablets could be a threat to laptops on the retail shelves.

It seems you're the type who has to see it believe it. Fair enough.
You're underestimating Japan HEAVILY but that's OK.
With Sony putting itself out of the picture ENTIRELY in Japan for the PS4, Nintendo has a chance to clamp down the Japanese market all to itself much like Sony did to its Japanese competition in the 6th gen with the PS2.
Vita ain't a threat & probably will never become one at this point.
So Nintendo will have the hot 3DS droppin' bombs AND the Wii U droppin' hammers.
They get to do this uncontested in Japan since both the PS4 AND XOne won't even show up until 2014.
They do this against the tide of the near-simultaneous launches of the XOne & PS4 in America & Europe.
Both Wii U & ESPECIALLY 3DS pick up the prospectors who didn't jump in last holiday season but have been curious about the consoles.

Critical mass is coming & I can't wait.
They're about to get off the fence, Seece.
The headlines will be endless about 3DS's domination & Wii U's turnaround.
You'll just have to see it to believe it.

Seece's reply to Incubi about my ability to inspire people to join VGChartz & words from some random analyst guy.
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5666358

Even wrong-way Pachter knows. He NEVER hardly gets it right but even HE knows Nintendo will be strong this holiday season.
You're gonna trust a guy like that over a guy like me??
Hahahahahahahaha!

Pachter.

Deep down even you know that Nintendo will be alright this holiday season despite your arguments on this thread.

Nope, not really. I'm expecting the average of 4.5m to be OK for them, not a turnaround because it's fueled by the holidays. If they sell 6m+ then it's a turn around. But more importantly if they sustain that.

Fact is PS3 never topped 2m in Nov + Dec NPD, I can't envisage a world in which WiiU does that, the casuals are just not on board with this system.

But 2013 is just the beginning. 2014 will REALLY show you what Nintendo is all about.
Satoru Iwata was COMMITTED to ¥100 billion in profits for the 2013 fiscal year. That's roughly $1 billion American.
You don't hear Iwata making such bold claims if he couldn't back it up.
He knows & I know Nintendo will have an EXCELLENT 2013 & the past 2 years of annual losses will soon become a distant memory, a bad dream.
From this point forward, NINTENDOMINATION will be at hand once again.
And it will overshadow last generation's NINTENDOMINATION when the history books are done being written.

Nintendo don't know anything, they've missed their console forecasts for Wii and WiiU for 5 straight running years, it's become a running joke now, they've even downgraded their forecasts for Wii 3 times in one year and still didn't hit it. What has Nintendo hitting $1b got to do with anything? 3DS + Pokemon can ensure that, it has nothing to do with WiiU being a hit.

3DS is your clue to the success of the Wii U. Remember this.

3DS is still, a very mild hit in the west. 130k in US this move, weak. DS was doing 600k at this point and without a 600k price cut, why don't you stop being so selective with your history lessons Lucas.

John Lucas

P.S.: Yes I'm serious.

No it isn't, I can't actually pinpoint any reasoning and what the hell has sources got to do with anything, stop living in the past like it's gonna tell you the future.


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well actually you can, that would have been one thing you should have noticed in you history class, all most all things repeat itself because the human simply cant learn.

And how can you tell that they are wrong?

do you have a glass globe which allows you to see in the future?

No? i guessed so.

How many people would have believed you back in the 80 that atari would once be nothing then a low level developer or that even that ms would take ibms place?

right no one , so why do you think this cant happen?

No it isn't, I can't actually pinpoint any reasoning and what the hell has sources got to do with anything, stop living in the past like it's gonna tell you the future.


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well actually you can, that would have been one thing you should have noticed in you history class, all most all things repeat itself because the human simply cant learn.

And how can you tell that they are wrong?

do you have a glass globe which allows you to see in the future?

No? i guessed so.

How many people would have believed you back in the 80 that atari would once be nothing then a low level developer or that even that ms would take ibms place?

right no one , so why do you think this cant happen?

No it isn't, I can't actually pinpoint any reasoning and what the hell has sources got to do with anything, stop living in the past like it's gonna tell you the future.


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well actually you can, that would have been one thing you should have noticed in you history class, all most all things repeat itself because the human simply cant learn.

And how can you tell that they are wrong?

do you have a glass globe which allows you to see in the future?

No? i guessed so.

How many people would have believed you back in the 80 that atari would once be nothing then a low level developer or that even that ms would take ibms place?

right no one , so why do you think this cant happen?

Let Seece find out the hard way, Yuukiwr.

He's adamant on this fantasy of Nintendo's irrelevance in this business.
He thinks Sony & Microsoft are the leaders of this industry & he's about to find out THE HARD WAY why they are NOT.
He hasn't done his research on the underpinnings of this business (which you must reference history to understand).
He has bought into this phony "hardcore/casual" propaganda wholesale.
He still talks about horsepower being the deciding factor in this contest.

Much like Sony & Microsoft he will find out the hard way.

The next 15 months are going to be sweet for me.
I just hope Seece doesn't vanish before the harvest comes in.

Nintendo is THE BOSS of this business. This is THEIR industry.
When this is said & done, everybody will respect that fact.
John Lucas

The Steam Box just doesn't make sense really. Valve pretty much already has their own virtual console (no trademark infringement intended ) so why do they need to create a physical console for it?

And on that point why build a console in the first place if they already have a physical machine—the PC—to host that Steam service to begin with?
Shouldn't they be more concerned with bringing players over to the PC instead of making a console that might not get them there?

Listen, I have used Steam before. Nice service. Lots of games to choose from. Decent prices.
My cousin got me to use it this summer. It's a great option for videogaming.
They're already on the smartphones & tablets—a natural fit being that those devices are the new PC market.
Why did Valve put it on the PS3 though? Doesn't the PS3 already have an online service. the PlayStation Network?
Is Valve trying to turn the console into a PC? Keyboard & mouse controls for Counter-Strike: Global Offensive through Steam??
Seems strange to me all this hanging around consoles from these PC guys. Especially if PC's supposed to be the superior platform.