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Seece said:
Fusioncode said:
Seece said:
Kaizar said:

The only problem with that is that we all know that PlayStation gamers mostly buy everything in the first 30 days, and Xbox gamers in the first 60 days.

Nintendo buyers mostly buy any 3rd & 1st party software & hardware throughout 5 years.

Ive seen it before, something releases on PS3 & 360, and it has no legs, but a great first 1 to 3 months, while something releases on Nintendo always has great legs but not much of a launch compare to its lifetime sells.

 The reason the Ps3 & 360 could take off after 4 years was because people finally had a HD TV, to truely enjoy the feature (a lot of consumers perspective), but the PS4 & ONE are offering mostly the samething for gaming. That's like the Wii U only doing more WiiMote gaming from the Wii, it's bad marketing and it won't hold up after launch is over.

Yeah that's totally what happened with PS1 and PS2 as well, I've never seen such a shoddy argument backed up with no proof whatsoever, at first I though you were talking about games, but no, hardware! You heard it here folks, Sony and Microsoft hardware is frontloaded. Hilarious.

No, you're hoping it is. They'll trend similar. If anyones hardware is frontloaded lately it's Nintendo's. Wii didn't last anywhere near as long as PS360, and WiiU still got more than 50% of its current sales in its first 6 weeks.

Sounds reasonable. The PS2 sold 150m units in 30 days and then completely died off. 

Of course, how did I miss that?!

What makes it funnier is, it looks like 3DS has had its peak year already.

Then why is the 3DS outselling the ONE & PS4 & PS3 & 360 every week?
Why is everyone on the Internet saying they are going to buy a 3DS or 3DS XL in 2014?



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Fusioncode said:
Anfebious said:
I don't like that people here think of people who agree with JL as "followers".

This is no religious cult, it's just one guy expressing himself and people agreeing with his views. I tihnk JL never meant this as some kind of weird religious cult.

I agree to some of JL points and he sure is a good debater! I don't think he will leave the site and neither the people who "follow" him. It takes more than a simple debate ör a failed prediction to make people leave a forum



Normally I'd agree with you, but there has been a cult-like behavior with his supporters. One guy even referred to him as a messiah. 

Well I guess that must be an isolated case. That is pretty fucked up! Or maybe he was joking, I sure hope he was...

Still I always took it as more of a morale boost for Nintendo fans. Like some sort of positive thread about the Wii U! I think it was a good addition and sparked a lot of debate and LOTS of pages!

Anyway hope no more people come out with that messiah thing. It sounds creepy.



"I've Underestimated the Horse Power from Mario Kart 8, I'll Never Doubt the WiiU's Engine Again"

Fusioncode said:
Kaizar said:

Let's just come back to this discussion in December 2K14.

I can say the Wii U will win.

You can say the PS4 and/or ONE will win.

But seeing is believing about 2014, so let's just come back to this discussion in Q4 2014, so there won't be any way out of the discussion for either of us.


Oh sure thing Kaizar. Only problem is that I know you, Lucas, and all his followers will be gone by then. No way you guys are sticking around to watch the WiiU fall into a distant third. 


All you have to do is reply to this thread.

I will be making a 3D Movies of 2015 Thread, so I will be able to notice and come back by simply checking mine Recent Replies in my profile.



Kaizar said:
Seece said:
Fusioncode said:
Seece said:
Kaizar said:

The only problem with that is that we all know that PlayStation gamers mostly buy everything in the first 30 days, and Xbox gamers in the first 60 days.

Nintendo buyers mostly buy any 3rd & 1st party software & hardware throughout 5 years.

Ive seen it before, something releases on PS3 & 360, and it has no legs, but a great first 1 to 3 months, while something releases on Nintendo always has great legs but not much of a launch compare to its lifetime sells.

 The reason the Ps3 & 360 could take off after 4 years was because people finally had a HD TV, to truely enjoy the feature (a lot of consumers perspective), but the PS4 & ONE are offering mostly the samething for gaming. That's like the Wii U only doing more WiiMote gaming from the Wii, it's bad marketing and it won't hold up after launch is over.

Yeah that's totally what happened with PS1 and PS2 as well, I've never seen such a shoddy argument backed up with no proof whatsoever, at first I though you were talking about games, but no, hardware! You heard it here folks, Sony and Microsoft hardware is frontloaded. Hilarious.

No, you're hoping it is. They'll trend similar. If anyones hardware is frontloaded lately it's Nintendo's. Wii didn't last anywhere near as long as PS360, and WiiU still got more than 50% of its current sales in its first 6 weeks.

Sounds reasonable. The PS2 sold 150m units in 30 days and then completely died off. 

Of course, how did I miss that?!

What makes it funnier is, it looks like 3DS has had its peak year already.

Then why is the 3DS outselling the ONE & PS4 & PS3 & 360 every week?
Why is everyone on the Internet saying they are going to buy a 3DS or 3DS XL in 2014?

What's that got to do with 3DS having its peak?? Have you bothered to actually look at the figures?



 

impertinence said:

John Lucas, a lot of this is great, but I wish you would refrain from the personal jabs as well. It's not really part of the argument how cynical Mummelmann might be nor your analysis of it.

That said, strong comeback can't wait for the continuation. To the rest of you, no matter what you think about the topic at hand, does it not peak your interest a little bit extra when you see the last porter was Johnlucas?

I have to say, again he's put forward an interesting observation in contrasting Nintendo as a toy company making tech and the other two as tech companies making a toy. I also enjoy the thinking around why there are so many playing card references in Nintendo games. Good observation and an interesting thought. Hopefully the answer also puts to rest the claim of trying to frame the dabate and the cult of Lucas references people keep making. None of that is based on very solid reasoning in my opinion. 

Look who's back! After conveniently ignoring my rebuttal and taking a pause (just in case...) you come back here to praise John Lucas once again. I tried very hard to understand what kind of person are you and that's what I did with the last conversation I had with you. Your replies and silences made me realize that your priority is rhetorical speach (over informative discussion) and that your double-standard comments are the main vehicle for you to support Nintendo either in promoting its pros or in damage-controlling its cons.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

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Seece said:

How predictable, JL ignores talking about his figures.

Here are some cold hard figures for you JL.

12 months+ WiiU sold 150k in the UK

In less than 5 weeks the PS4 has sold 530k, and the Xbox One 364k.

Just let that sink in for a second

In the US, PS4 and XB1 will (have already) taken over WiiU for end of 2013.

Basically it's the million in Japan that is keeping WiiU ahead.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/ps4-outsold-xbox-one-by-166-000-consoles-in-uk-last-year/0126321

That's an interesting overview although it isn't a fair comparison between consoles, once WiiU is out for over 1 year while the other two have just started. Here is a fairer comparison: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=174878&page=1



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

Kaizar said:

Xbox becoming irrelevant, like PlayStation in the Handheld market.

Microsoft is the only ever emerging player of the 3. Sony had a decline with PS3. Nintendo experienced declines with N64, Game Cube and now with WiiU. Xbox is the only one in which the future has always shined more than the present/past. To claim they are becoming irrelevant is like saying the world is running out of people.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

Dv8thwonder said:

Explain to me how exactly is killing virtual gang members, shagging loose woman and poor car physics so different now then it was then? GRAPHICS? That can't be that because you used that to support your argument against 3D Mario. You've either never played a 3D Mario game before and/or you are delusional and think GTA as a series of games has substance besides its graphics.

First of all, I've played several Mario 3D and GTA games so I have more than enough information to make such comparison and understand the clear difference between both evolutions. Second, GTA doesn't excel for its graphics (and what it gets by disprioritizing graphics in the "power use" management is what makes it so unique). Third, properly answering your first question would take me ages. I will just put here some clues:

1 - Different environments from game to game (sometimes, 5 times bigger than the previous one).

2 - Exponential growth of controlling mechanics and possible movements.

3 - Generational evolution in car handling from game to game.

4 - Introduction/enhancement of possible activities (such as action missions, driving careers, sports, professions, outlaw activities, assests management, etc.).

5 - New story and characters from game to game.

6 - Huge increase of objects (weapons, vehicles, garments, etc.)

You won't find such changes in the Mario 3D platform series, which by the way would be much easier to implement, once GTA:

A - Is a sandbox game

B - Has complex simulation of living cities

C - Is realistic, not cartoonish (which doesn't allow to simplify reality without being noticed as lack of work)

D - Has a huge amount of unique content

This makes GTA a very heavy machine, impossible to do a great sequel without millions of euros and millions of man-hours work. On the other hand, Mario 3D is a very light machine that doesn't significantly evolve from game to game and sometimes it doesn't evolve at all (it just gets different).



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

Seece said:

Of course, how did I miss that?!

What makes it funnier is, it looks like 3DS has had its peak year already.

You say 3DS has looks like it has peaked? We dont know that just yet. It can still be up YOY. To quote me from a post i made in another thread some time ago.

"Looking at 3DS sales on VGC you can observe as follows:

Calendar year: 2011: 13 250 062

 Calendar year: 2012: 14 406 901

Calendar year: 2013 so far: 11 900 000

Trends:

Week ending dec 08. 2012:    750 199 I Sales according to VGC: 07. 2013: 666 121

Week ending dec 15. 2012: 1 025 218 I Forecasted sales 14. 2013:     900 000 I Sales according to VGC:   899 915

Week ending dec 22. 2012: 1 241 211 I Forecasted sales 21. 2013: 1 100 000 I Sales according to VGC: 1 078 565

Week ending dec 29. 2012:    725 008 I Forecasted sales 28. 2013:     650 000

So, an estimated sales this calendar year is: 14 550 000"

 

Update:

Calendar year: 2011: 13 250 062

 Calendar year: 2012: 14 406 901

Calendar year: 2013 so far: 13 900 000

Trends:

Week ending dec 08. 2012:    750 199 I Sales according to VGC: 07. 2013: 692 779 (adjusted up by VGC)

Week ending dec 15. 2012: 1 025 218 I Forecasted sales 14. 2013:     900 000 I Sales according to VGC:   899 915

Week ending dec 22. 2012: 1 241 211 I Forecasted sales 21. 2013: 1 100 000 I Sales according to VGC: 1 078 565

Week ending dec 29. 2012:    725 008 I Forecasted sales 28. 2013:     650 000 I Sales according to VGC: ?

 

It needs to sell more than 550 000  week ending dec 29. 2013. If it sells less than that it will have peaked in 2012. 

If it sells more, you really cant say that it has peaked on a worldwide basis. I wont compare 3DS to DS as that is an unfair comparison, but will instead compare it to GBA. With GBA you can observe how it peaked not the year Pokemon was released, but the following year. So yes, it will have its peak but i'm pretty sure that peak will be in 2014 on a worldwide basis.



Fusioncode said:

 One guy even referred to him as a messiah. 

One "follower" does not equal a cult. Why are you purposely derailing the thread. Do we need mod intervention?

On topic: 7.5m to 8m WiiU's sold by March 31st 2014



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