its the week the big two are both out and im putting that 100k figure down to wii party u. 

Okey..

Thank you for your time.

The Wii had a lot of appeal as a product and was very well aimed towards a specific demographic and it already had good momentum at that point, it had close to 60 million sales already. It was re-invigorated that holiday, the Wii U never had the vigor. The actual boost for Black Friday was 55%, a similar boost for the Wii U would yield slightly over 170k, let's assume and hope it can do better than that. To me, it's kind of like comparing the PS2 to the Vita, even though I never merge handheld and home consoles, even for examples.

I don't think even John Lucas believes in a 1000% boost for Black Friday week and I think there's a good reason he doesn't come in here to write anything any longer, he's been online several times in the past few days.

Well even that wouldn't be quite enough to reach 12 million.  It also didn't go from 111k to over a million.  The worst week it had that year was 142k (better than any week the Wii U has had this year) the week before the price cut.  After the cut, sales didn't drop below 325k that year.  It's also pretty obvious that 3D World isn't going to be NSMBWii in terms of moving hardware.  The Wii was five times higher than the Wii U during the Mario release weeks in Japan.  Even higher in the US, but it is probably worth waiting for NPD there.

So far the strategy has been the same, price cut/Mario/retail partnerships, but the results haven't been close.  Also there was a Walmart deal the week after Black Friday which is why that week was so high.

JL has abandoned this thread for sure, next week will be the nail in the coffin. Well, we all predicted it.

True, Wii was on a definitive downward spiral YOY. Before Black Friday many speculated that the Wii "fad" would end that year. This was the reason Nintendo decided to buy retail space at key retail partners and spend insane money on advertising.  However, the numbers i just posted are the adjusted numbers. VGChartz undertracked Wii by about 4 million during that period. In January they realised it, and the actual numbers was still hard to believe, and there was an uproar on the forums. Lots of drama. This is also why you prolly cant expect John Lucas to respond to specific numbers until january. 

I'd also like to point out that the commercials Nintendo is airing now is mostly there as a reminder to the american people - that a xmas holiday is not a xmas holiday without Nintendo. It will have some effect. Afterall, America have bought Nintendo hardware enmass for 28 years. 

BTW: My prediction is 7 mill worldwide by dec 31, but i like to entertain the possibility of the impossible:)

About John Lucas not writing anything. As we speak he's preparing the biggest rebuttal in VGChartz history - all in your honour:D

Yes. I wonder what will happen when Nintendo's old tricks no longer works. Ofcource, for all we know Nintendo has just awoken the american nation to the wonders of WiiU. 300 million people finally know there's a new Wii and all that resulting in the impossible becoming possible. Nintendo fans who bought a 3DS suddenly decide that they need a WiiU by some dormant revelation. Who knows, lol!

John, where are you???

He'll probably be back, but with what? It took me about 1-2 hours to make that post, mostly off of the top of my head, why is he taking several days? It's not like he's spent his time debating others or other issues.

I'm sure I'll be told of my lack of understanding of gaming, history, business and Nintendo, first and foremost. We'll see exciting images paired with points stretching philosophically back at least a couple of decades, maybe he'll pull up a few posts to show I was an asshole when I joined the site (which I was) but I doubt it.

We'll be even further acquainted with the "love" and "passion" in the gaming industry and how everyone lacks this save for Nintendo, how 3rd parties collectively make up the most unintelligent business entity in the world today and we'll be reminded that a Nintendo monopoly is in our best interest, developers' best interest and that it is inevitable that all this comes to pass, seeing as how this isn't so much a theory so much as fact.

As for my opinion, I'm prepared to wait a bit longer, I don't have a head so large that I assume to be all-knowing and my theory is still just a theory, not something I force down your throat as fact, the data so far does support my view though.
No matter what any of us post, the numbers will speak for themselves but likely not change his tone or mind. I learned things from the 7th gen, apparently a lot of folks did not.

PSA: Rome was not built in a day.