I think PS4`s sales were amazing!
I also think both PS4 and XB1`s sales will be really frontloaded. The hype for both will die down and show that PS4 and XB1, despite all the social features, don`t really add - so far - nothing special to gaming. Add to that that most 3rd party games will also release on PS3 and XB360 and the price, and you`ll have a big reason to not upgrade right away to a new gen.

PS3 had a great first week in Europe, which was a Sony loyalist continent, and sales dropped quickly after. Why? The price is a big reason, but the hype was there and the market segment of those could pay that much was absorbed quickly.
In that sense, PS4 and XB1 will also absorb in months those who can and are willing to go into a new generation despite the price tags and ports to PS3 and XB360.

@ZOD95

Project CARS is Wii U, PS4, Xbone and PC only. No last gen.

Fair enough.  However, IMO the point 2b1 is more important than any of the others.  It is more of a "general" point than all the nitpicky points we were debating.  That's why I put it in bold.  We could just talk about that if you'd like; it shouldn't be likely to explode into sub-sub-arguments like the other stuff or need a lot of research. 

I would like to know your response to my claim that you've implied that your objective criteria don't directly judge the quality of games, but simply give "hints" as to more subjective values by which to judge games (e.g. map size doesn't prove good quality in the playable area by itself); and that therefore all this stuff about those objective values is meaningless because we still come back to subjective values anyway.  However, if you don't even have the time for this much smaller debate, that's your prerogative. 

When we get info about the 2nd month sales for PS4, either this thread is gonna die quickly or is gonna become gold.

I see many flies loitering around the trap. Don't fall for it ;)

In this post, I respond to the points by Zod05 that he made while saying he didn't want to continue the argument (while putting in one last word apparently). ZOD95 NEED NOT READ THIS. I just felt the need to get my own response out there

"1 - Map Size: area that the player can step into. If cars can go off the road, that area counts too."
—He missed the point I was making with those two examples of why his objective criterion was not as objective as he thought. For this one example, we haven't seen any evidence in this thread that the figures he gave for those racing games match the restriction he just gave above. For the other example, my argument that racing game map area has little content and it's therefore "easier" to have large playable area went unchallenged.

"2 - British racing games and very different from American racing games and any fan of the genre can tell you that. Also, there are British devs that make American-style racing games."
—I feel that the second part actually is evidence supporting my point. As for the first, it doesn't add anything to the question of whether A/B racing games are different genres or whether they are as different as J/WRPGs.

"3 - I have Eye Of Judgment so I can tell you that's a puzzle-style game. There are 9 holes and the first to conquer 5 wins. You don't just throw the cards on the table, you, you plan a way to fit them well in the field (like a chess game) depending on the type of cards you have. Either that can be puzzle or puzzle can't be a genre (if it's too specific)."
—Zod just said that EOJ is a puzzle game because players have to use strategy "like a chess game". To me it would be ridiculous to suggest that chess is a puzzle or a puzzle game. However, I could still be convinced EOJ is a puzzle game if there is a better argument to be had.

This guy totally gets it. I would even take it a step further and say Sony actually sabotaged whatever momentum they had going into the PS4 launch by releasing so many 1st party titles for the PS3 weeks or even days before launching the PS4. Sony is actually hoping for the 3rd party software to tide them over in the coming months but not many wll make that leap when said games can be found elsewhere for cheaper and on platforms they already own. And then there's the Japan. I believe Sony forsake the East to appeal to the West. That being said, you can most certainly expect them to do worst in Japan this time. Not 360 levels of fail but near Vita status. The Feb 22nd release date is also a HUGE red flag.   

I just posted on Saturday.
A long-awaited rebuttal to Zod95 right here.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5806944

John Lucas

Nobody cares about Zod and Final Fans arguemnt. Funny how you're ignoring very simple questions though others are asking you that are actually to do with your prediction.

Which is unfolding before your eyes, so why should I be surprised :P

But please, post another 1000 word post that is completely irrelevent to how WiiU is going to sell 240 million.

Mortal Kombat graphical comparison?? You're having a laugh.

You'll just have to get in line, Seece.
First come, first served.
When I'm done with Zod95 & the responses to others on the queue, I'll deal with you & your specific brand of trolling.

John Lucas

~ Mod Edit ~

This user was warned by TruckOSaurus for this post.

I've not 'trolled' anywhere. FYI that's bannable, so I guess I'm gonna have to wait even longer for a response now :(

And if you didn't write so much (that as I said, is irrelevent) it wouldn't take you long. Me and others actually want to know how and when WiiU is going to start doing 'its thing'

You've not once explained how it'll actually happen. So don't get pissed off when people say this is a jock/satire thread.