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radishhead on 07 September 2013
NoCtiS_NoX said:
radishhead said:
I didn't realise that Nacho claimed flying bison, that's kind of unbelievable - also, I know that Linkz is a roleblocker (whether he's town-aligned or not), so I'm not comfortable with what's going on right now.

Unvote: Linkz

Don't want to vote Nacho yet, because his original hypothesis that stopped me from voting him in the first place is still pretty strong


It's either you vote for nacho or linkz. Don't let this day keep on dragging.

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Vetteman94 on 07 September 2013
NoCtiS_NoX said:
radishhead said:
I didn't realise that Nacho claimed flying bison, that's kind of unbelievable - also, I know that Linkz is a roleblocker (whether he's town-aligned or not), so I'm not comfortable with what's going on right now.

Unvote: Linkz

Don't want to vote Nacho yet, because his original hypothesis that stopped me from voting him in the first place is still pretty strong


It's either you vote for nacho or linkz. Don't let this day keep on dragging.


I know you read my post,  so why dont you answer the questions I asked?



Linkzmax on 07 September 2013
NoCtiS_NoX said:
Linkzmax said:

You're ignoring the fact that it's confirmed mafia tried to kill yoshi, the cop, two Nights in a row.

Your reasoninf for voting me is worse than benao's "I want A to be the case since I'm too lazy to play the game, so I will vote assuming A"

Oh and you never came back with your reason for pausing on voting for Vette Day 3. Was there actually something you thought of?

No I am gambling. I am going with hunches here. I think lynching you is the best scenario. I  think that you as a town blocker, well it's not really sinking to me that well. A potential mafia blocker that can block the power roles here. 

It's either you or nacho and I chose you. 

 

About the 3rd paragraph. I was going to tell you guys I was block. I think you were the roleblocker with a wrong reasoning got confused with night talking we had.

I initially thought it was benao that's why I asked him before if he did something to me. 

And so I'm back to being frustrated at a lazy Town. Like I asked before, why didn't I just block yoshi then as scum instead of spending two nihts to get rid of him. Why haven't I been blocking the active(hah) people or "confirmed" townies like Astro after revealing he was a JOAT instead of shady players?



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Linkzmax on 07 September 2013
benao87 said:
Linkzmax said:

You've given no such scenario where not lynching a scum me would result in a Town loss. I didn't even respond to your idea that a scum me indicates a scum Noctis since Astroe confirmes Noctis visited me, but who would be the third mafis in that case if it isn't trashleg, who's modkill would ruin the instawin?

The thing is that even with astro seeing noctis at your place, we don't really know if he is truly a motivator. He was cleared through you, so you may have that certitude, I don't. I'm think that you and nacho are definitely not on the same side, should you be mafia, you could be very well lie about noctis role, and making him a scum buddy, if vette is the third one, lynching nacho would mean that we lose the game. You are a very good player, one that if needed could hide his relationship with the other players through the day.

The thing is that I do believe that radish is town, and that we can allow to mislynch you, should you be town, as you town, would mean a noctis town, reducing the possibilites of 3 mafia players among the surviving (after mario modkills trashleg)

It's not about choosing you or nacho, it's about to find out how town could win, if your lynch allow us to know how the mafia are, well perfect. Should we lose after mislynching you, well huge bummer, because more than nacho I feel that I'm the one that's been pushing this alternative.

On the other hand, should you win as mafia after a hypothetically mislynching nacho, well, good, I did tried to discuss the scenario.

I know I could be mistaken, and I don't mind changing my position when somebody points a flaw in the logic behind my arguments. But, nacho is a skilled player, I reckon that should he wanted to come up with a fake claim he could've done that. Not saying he is not lying, just that he could be very well telling the truth. Although, being absent for two days, do ring an alarm, mostly if we take into account the stakes at this point of the game.

And if all that is lazy, well, so be it.

What was my scumbuddy Noctis doing visiting me then?

@Bold. Thanks for saying I'm not a skilled player.



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Linkzmax on 07 September 2013

Really, it isn't hard to actually go through the few posts Nacho's had to get a read on him.

Nachomamma8 said:
morenoingrato said:
Nachomamma8 said:
morenoingrato said:
HoS Nacho.

If Vette had rightful suspicions, you are indeed following the lynch train.

Massclaim? Really? Horrible move dude.

Why do you disagree with a massclaim? And why is bringing up a massclaim and putting a vote on you worthy of an HoS back?

You just jumped on Vette's argument with no history of suspicion with me or anything. At least he had bases for lynching. And in a small game massclaiming is very risky, especially with 3 (or 2?) townies down.

Just because I don't talk about reasons doesn't mean I don't have them. Do you have any other suspects?

This is what ultimately led me to voting moreno over Vette. I believed Nacho was softclaiming some information against him, but of course that turned out to not be the case.

 

On the other hand, I've been as up front about my role as possible without actually claiming, since I was first questioned about it.

Linkzmax said:
Vetteman94 said:

Linkzmax 
Was visited by Noctis, and Linkzmax visited Nachomamma8 on night 1. With everyone having power roles it seems, this is probably quite common.  But was that scenario completely confirmed? Claims Noctis_Nox is town, how he knows this hasnt been explained.  Because Nachomamma8 isnt dead, we could assume that Linkz is town.  Was the purpose of your visit ever explained? No word on what he did night 2 

I visited everyone for the same reason, I thought they could be scum. Unfortunately, outside of a possible flavor hint it's unlikely I'll be able to confirm anyone unless it's later in the round.

"Everyone" instead of "both" because I visited two people on Night 2, but I didn't want to give away Noctis' role.

It's unlikely I'm actually able to confirm anyone, because unless flavor suggests that I'm the reason for no kill(like it did for Katarra/benao) then blocking scum could just interfere with other abilities with no way of knowing. Except if it's down to 1 scum then a block could work like a cop. If there's still a kill then it would confirm my target as being town.



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NoCtiS_NoX on 07 September 2013
Linkzmax said:

And so I'm back to being frustrated at a lazy Town. Like I asked before, why didn't I just block yoshi then as scum instead of spending two nihts to get rid of him. Why haven't I been blocking the active(hah) people or "confirmed" townies like Astro after revealing he was a JOAT instead of shady players?


Sure being lazy or what not don't care. I just don't want to risk a potential mafia blocker when night comes in. 

For me lynching you is the best option. 

Shady person? It is safely to assume that JOAT has limited shots because JOAT having a lot of shots is OP. You know better than that linkz.



Linkzmax on 07 September 2013

I'll repeat myself again, if I block anyone besides who it's decided I should block, then it means I'm instalynched toMorrow. There is no risk involved.

Yes, despite thinking otherwise now you were shady Day 1. Didn't post much and had very little to say in those posts. Same goes for trashleg and Baalish.
Of course a JOAT has limited shots, but a JOAT also often has a protective ability. Given the doctor stopped a kill Night 2, it would've been very unwise to risk being stopped again.



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NoCtiS_NoX on 07 September 2013
Vetteman94 said:

Of the 3 other people voting for Linkz instgead of Nacho?  How can you accept his blantant lying about his role as a good excuse for anythin a townie would do?   Out of the 4 votes for Linkz i have 2 of you pegged as Mafia,  so I think its obvious why your reason is but I would like to hear them. 

How can you really believe his bullshit about his role?   Plus he claimed a Flying Bison and not a person like everyone else claimed.   Is it possible that is his role,  or was it a convenient name claim that had a low probablitiy of beig in the game instead of using his real name.   Im guessing the latter.  

Why would any townie lie about his role?    There is no need for a townie to lie about his role, ever.  So give me one good reason why I should believe that he is actually telling the truth this time?  


Prof lies even if he is town. Sometimes you need to lie even if you endanger yourself.



Vetteman94 on 07 September 2013
NoCtiS_NoX said:
Vetteman94 said:

Of the 3 other people voting for Linkz instgead of Nacho?  How can you accept his blantant lying about his role as a good excuse for anythin a townie would do?   Out of the 4 votes for Linkz i have 2 of you pegged as Mafia,  so I think its obvious why your reason is but I would like to hear them. 

How can you really believe his bullshit about his role?   Plus he claimed a Flying Bison and not a person like everyone else claimed.   Is it possible that is his role,  or was it a convenient name claim that had a low probablitiy of beig in the game instead of using his real name.   Im guessing the latter.  

Why would any townie lie about his role?    There is no need for a townie to lie about his role, ever.  So give me one good reason why I should believe that he is actually telling the truth this time?  


Prof lies even if he is town. Sometimes you need to lie even if you endanger yourself.

And lied when he was mafia as well.   Which was the majority of the time.

Thats not a reason to lie.  He tried to make up some bullshit story about how he was trying to catch people claiming vanilla townie in this game.  But why would another person claim townie in a game where everyone has power roles and there is already one claimed?   He wasnt getting anyone with his trap. Because it wasnt a trap. He was hoping for an easy claim and people started jumping on him about it then he came out and said Just kidding guys Im a commuter. 

Again still waiting a on legitimate reason for lying about role when you are town.



benao87 on 08 September 2013
Linkzmax said:
benao87 said:
Linkzmax said:

You've given no such scenario where not lynching a scum me would result in a Town loss. I didn't even respond to your idea that a scum me indicates a scum Noctis since Astroe confirmes Noctis visited me, but who would be the third mafis in that case if it isn't trashleg, who's modkill would ruin the instawin?

The thing is that even with astro seeing noctis at your place, we don't really know if he is truly a motivator. He was cleared through you, so you may have that certitude, I don't. I'm think that you and nacho are definitely not on the same side, should you be mafia, you could be very well lie about noctis role, and making him a scum buddy, if vette is the third one, lynching nacho would mean that we lose the game. You are a very good player, one that if needed could hide his relationship with the other players through the day.

The thing is that I do believe that radish is town, and that we can allow to mislynch you, should you be town, as you town, would mean a noctis town, reducing the possibilites of 3 mafia players among the surviving (after mario modkills trashleg)

It's not about choosing you or nacho, it's about to find out how town could win, if your lynch allow us to know how the mafia are, well perfect. Should we lose after mislynching you, well huge bummer, because more than nacho I feel that I'm the one that's been pushing this alternative.

On the other hand, should you win as mafia after a hypothetically mislynching nacho, well, good, I did tried to discuss the scenario.

I know I could be mistaken, and I don't mind changing my position when somebody points a flaw in the logic behind my arguments. But, nacho is a skilled player, I reckon that should he wanted to come up with a fake claim he could've done that. Not saying he is not lying, just that he could be very well telling the truth. Although, being absent for two days, do ring an alarm, mostly if we take into account the stakes at this point of the game.

And if all that is lazy, well, so be it.

What was my scumbuddy Noctis doing visiting me then?

@Bold. Thanks for saying I'm not a skilled player.

First paragraph "You are a very good player..." ;)

Right now I'd guess he could be a bodyguard, having a town vigilante, makes sense.



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