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Linkzmax said:
benao87 said:
radishhead said:
benao87 said:

Care to elaborate?

As I said, everyone has been doing pretty well at staying low this round, so it's just a feeling. But I don't want to instantly believe any "town" scan this game, because if it's as power-heavy as I think it could be, the Mafia are definitely going to have a few tricks to mess around with us. That's not to say I don't believe that Linkz is an investigative role necessarily - although that could be the case too.

Fair enough.

 

The whole miller/cop thing is interesting, but I'm not liking it. 

Vette has never really doubted the existance of a cop, it was brought up by linkz, and reinforced by yoshiya and noctis. Vette might be just hoping for a roleclaim, and it is backfiring him. Interest in roles is normal, but Vette might be pushing it too hard.

FoS linkz

FoS Vette

 

Oh yeah?

Vetteman94 said:

I was only role fishing for the people who seemed to be claiming they had knowledge on others alignments.  Because it seemed we had an abundance of investigative role for the town.    Thats why, but it has been clarified for me.   I was only questioning the exsistence of the number of investigation roles it seemed we had.   As I said to Linkz,  it is normal for a Tracker to be paired with a Watcher, and there are uses for it against a Miller.  What wouldnt be normal is adding a Cop.  Now its possible a Cop would replace the Watcher,  but its not the norm.  Which is what I am basing my situation on.  Maybe like you said the Watcher part is actually replaced by a JOAT, which includes cop ability as well.

Vette clearly has said that the fact that we have a Tracker means there's likely a Watcher but not a Cop.


Did you completely ignore the very next sentence on purpose. The part where I admit its possible that the Cop replaces a watcher?

I understand why you ignored but at least try a little harder



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Vetteman94 said:
Linkzmax said:
Vetteman94 said:

I was only role fishing for the people who seemed to be claiming they had knowledge on others alignments.  Because it seemed we had an abundance of investigative role for the town.    Thats why, but it has been clarified for me.   I was only questioning the exsistence of the number of investigation roles it seemed we had.   As I said to Linkz,  it is normal for a Tracker to be paired with a Watcher, and there are uses for it against a Miller.  What wouldnt be normal is adding a Cop.  Now its possible a Cop would replace the Watcher,  but its not the norm.  Which is what I am basing my situation on.  Maybe like you said the Watcher part is actually replaced by a JOAT, which includes cop ability as well.

Vette clearly has said that the fact that we have a Tracker means there's likely a Watcher but not a Cop.

Did you completely ignore the very next sentence on purpose. The part where I admit its possible that the Cop replaces a watcher?

I understand why you ignored but at least try a little harder

And still saying it's not the norm.

I understand why you ignored my post directed at you, because you have no way to spin it.



Linkzmax said:
Vetteman94 said:
Linkzmax said:
Vetteman94 said:

I was only role fishing for the people who seemed to be claiming they had knowledge on others alignments.  Because it seemed we had an abundance of investigative role for the town.    Thats why, but it has been clarified for me.   I was only questioning the exsistence of the number of investigation roles it seemed we had.   As I said to Linkz,  it is normal for a Tracker to be paired with a Watcher, and there are uses for it against a Miller.  What wouldnt be normal is adding a Cop.  Now its possible a Cop would replace the Watcher,  but its not the norm.  Which is what I am basing my situation on.  Maybe like you said the Watcher part is actually replaced by a JOAT, which includes cop ability as well.

Vette clearly has said that the fact that we have a Tracker means there's likely a Watcher but not a Cop.

Did you completely ignore the very next sentence on purpose. The part where I admit its possible that the Cop replaces a watcher?

I understand why you ignored but at least try a little harder

And still saying it's not the norm.

I understand why you ignored my post directed at you, because you have no way to spin it.

But you said that I admitted that the there was a Watcher and no Cop,  which I never said.  Just you spinning my words to fit your claims.

I ignored it because it was more of the same BS.  You are focusing on me because I was trying to figure out the setup of the game, and trying to figure out why people are claiming others are town.  

The thing is I already have a good idea who is Mafia in this game,  and at least I am trying to figure out which ones from my list actually are,  while you keep trying to redirect the focus of everyone to a Townie.   You also keep saying that claiming will give Mafia sometrhing to target, but its not like the people who are claiming they know certain things, "but dont want to give too much away" and "have already said to much" arent going to get targetted anyway. 



Lol, the quote is only 2 posts up. I said you doubted the existence of a cop. And in the post you ignored I reiterate that I never said you have ruled out a Cop, only that it's very suspicious for a Miller not to assume one exists.

Exactly, your role meta is BS so you have no defense. I'm focusing on you because your story doesn't add up.

You're not a confirmed Townie, and from my view you aren't a Townie at all. Where are you getting this idea that I'm saying anything about claiming will give Mafia something to target? I've said Noctis didn't want to role claim, so I'm not going to claim for him.



Well being that this is the first time I am a miller, I dont know all the ins and outs of the role. Plus even in the wiki it doesnt state that a cop is always present for a miller role.

And neither does your story which is why I went after you and then you got defensive about it and attacked me. Its easy to get a Miller lynched because there is already doubt on his claim from the beginning.

And yes I am Town. I am Zuko, Town Miller. And I am done arguing this. My vote is for who I think is Mafia because of actually looking into what everyone said and claimed, not just one person. And if the current day takes another direction I will post again, but if not I am done until day is over. Others are just sitting back and watching this day go byhoping to go unnoticed, most of them the ones I have pegged for scum. But I suggest something uncommon but not improbable and I get jumped on for it. Its cool though I can't say I didn't expect this to eventually happen.

And If I get lynched today, good luck to the real town and your MYLO/LYLO situation tomorrow.



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Vetteman94 said:
 And if the current day takes another direction I will post again, but if not I am done until day is over. 
And If I get lynched today, good luck to the real town and your MYLO/LYLO situation tomorrow.

Seriously? You're on two votes, no where near the amount required to be lynched. If you have people pegged as mafia, argue it, try and convince others to join your cause, don't just say you're giving up and go. For someone who has suspects, you've done little actual arguing as to why people shold vote for them minus throwing back suspicion on those that suspect you.



Yoshiya said:
Vetteman94 said:
 And if the current day takes another direction I will post again, but if not I am done until day is over. 
And If I get lynched today, good luck to the real town and your MYLO/LYLO situation tomorrow.

Seriously? You're on two votes, no where near the amount required to be lynched. If you have people pegged as mafia, argue it, try and convince others to join your cause, don't just say you're giving up and go. For someone who has suspects, you've done little actual arguing as to why people shold vote for them minus throwing back suspicion on those that suspect you.


I did argue it,  problem is more people are concerned whether or not I think a cop is in the game then my list of who I thought was mafia and my reasoning for it.  I already posted that as well.



Vetteman94 said:
Yoshiya said:
Vetteman94 said:
 And if the current day takes another direction I will post again, but if not I am done until day is over. 
And If I get lynched today, good luck to the real town and your MYLO/LYLO situation tomorrow.

Seriously? You're on two votes, no where near the amount required to be lynched. If you have people pegged as mafia, argue it, try and convince others to join your cause, don't just say you're giving up and go. For someone who has suspects, you've done little actual arguing as to why people shold vote for them minus throwing back suspicion on those that suspect you.


I did argue it,  problem is more people are concerned whether or not I think a cop is in the game then my list of who I thought was mafia and my reasoning for it.  I already posted that as well.

People are only talking about cops because you brought the topic up in a way that didn't make sense considering your supposed role.

And saying you are suspicious of someone isn't enough, go back, find evidence. You're not going to convince anyone someone is suspicious just because you say they are.



I feel like the whole Vette situation is creating a useful veil for players to hide behind. I want somebody to give me a player who they feel needs further analysis, and I'll read through their posts and see if we need to take anything further. This method has led me to Mafia a number of times in the past, so it's definitely worth doing - I've got a few ideas of my own if nobody has any ideas.



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Yoshiya said:
Vetteman94 said:
Yoshiya said:
Vetteman94 said:
 And if the current day takes another direction I will post again, but if not I am done until day is over. 
And If I get lynched today, good luck to the real town and your MYLO/LYLO situation tomorrow.

Seriously? You're on two votes, no where near the amount required to be lynched. If you have people pegged as mafia, argue it, try and convince others to join your cause, don't just say you're giving up and go. For someone who has suspects, you've done little actual arguing as to why people shold vote for them minus throwing back suspicion on those that suspect you.


I did argue it,  problem is more people are concerned whether or not I think a cop is in the game then my list of who I thought was mafia and my reasoning for it.  I already posted that as well.

People are only talking about cops because you brought the topic up in a way that didn't make sense considering your supposed role.

And saying you are suspicious of someone isn't enough, go back, find evidence. You're not going to convince anyone someone is suspicious just because you say they are.

I used what evidence was available to me and came to my suspicions on a group of people.  When I went looking for more evidence I became the target.  So I am falling back on my original findings and going from there since I am not going to get anymore.  Considering no one else has anymore meaningful evidence for their votes,  what I based my vote on is just as good as that.   Plus others should be looking for this evidence themselves as well. whether it to be to counter the claims or to help the claims.