I've never seen a VGC game where we haven't lynched on Day 1. We've had that debate many times and with the exception of a few who refuse to change their mind, the general consensus is that not lynching Day 1 is bad.

Also, you're ignoring the fundamental part of my argument, ie. we may be on Day 3 but we have 2 less deaths than expected at this point (no Day 2 lynch and no Night 2 kill). Just because we are on Day 3, doesn't mean we have the normal amount of deaths. You're effectively saying "Town does well to block kill but it means jack all because they're still going to lose Day 4 if they don't lynch a mafia."

so your suspicions only consist on someone who suspect you and a popular wagon?

why aren't you voting me yet?

and voting vettermen for no cop is stupid without knowing all roles.

There was no lynch on day 1 in the  last game.  And in most of the games I played on here day 1 lynches were the exception not the rule.  obviously things may have changed on here since then, since the last game I played before Round 57 was Round 35 or something.   

Only ignoring it because you are assuming day 1 lynches are the norm, which I do not believe they are.  Which means we are actually only 1 death less than expected. 

Actually it would be Night 4 when we would lose, but yes without killing at least one mafia thats what i am saying.   

I still have to decide who to vote, but I'm already decided on this,

Vote: time limit

There are plenty of uncertainties, but we need to get things moving.

@Vette I get your point, but we also need to note that fortunately doctor was useful last night, and that 3rd party didn't make a move last Night (killed a townie). I understand the preassure on us, but we are the topics being discussed right now, won't really get us any more info, unless somebody makes a slip, and at this point of the day, I won't think we will be that lucky. Hopefully tomorrow will have more info, and hopefully we don't lose any important roles at night.

Now you're looking at it backwards. Miller is a counter to Cop as it gives them a false positive. The way you're talking about a Tracker or Watcher is in terms of busting a fakeclaim, which isn't a false positive. And I never said you didn't say there could be a Cop, but for your theory of there being too many invstigative roles it's quite suspect that you didn't assume there to be one, making the count even higher.

I've played enough to know that while it's not unusal to have both a Watcher and Tracker, it's hardly the norm that the existence of one implies the existence of the other. On the other hand, it's practically a gaurantee that a Miller means there is a Cop.

Ahhh, I was wondering if you could successfully target scum as well. I suppose it would be too powerful if you could also infer alignment from your ability.

Oh yeah?

Vette clearly has said that the fact that we have a Tracker means there's likely a Watcher but not a Cop.

It does not mean I have targeted every player. It does mean that each target I visited, I chose because I didn't trust them.

This is a stupid idea. It's not like coming to an agreement would mean we're correct about it, or that knowing how many there are would magically out the scumteam.

Are you paying attention or is this just a strawman defense? That's not why he's getting votes.

I pointed out that in his theory of too many investigative roles it was odd that he wasn't counting a Cop, which if he was a Miller he should be assuming exists.

He's since defended his stance with role meta, saying a Tracker implies a Watcher and that a Cop wouldn't be normal. Once again, it's not normal for there to be a Miller without a Cop. And no a JOAT doesn't really count. A probably 1-shot Cop ability would imply the lack of any false scans.