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Nachomamma8 said:

Who are your suspects?

In terms of play, I'd have to say Vette is my main suspect. He has been continuously rolefishing throughout this whole game even people outright tell him it's a bad thing to do. Also, Linkz has raised a very interesting point in his last few points;

Linkzmax said:
Vetteman94 said:
Linkzmax said:
Asking if I have limited uses serves no purpose except to tell scum when my power is no longer a threat.

I tell you it's unlikely I'll be able to confirm anyone, and you spend 3 posts talking about the number of investigative roles. The biggest problem with all of your role meta is you don't mention a normal cop once. You're not really a miller are you?


Normal Cops are regularly replaced with a Tracker/Watcher combo, thats the reason I never brought it up.  That and the vague descriptions of what I have gathered about your roles do not point to a Normal Cop.   The town just seems to be at a huge advantage with all these roles and it just seems unlikely that they arent limited in some way.  

As long as SM128 isnt trying to play some sad joke on me, yes I am a Town Miller,  that hasnt changed since my first post in this game.   Nice reach though

So you can't really confirm anyone?  Ok, so then you aren't sure if Noctis is really Town or not despite saying he was?  

Miller strongly implies there is a Cop as Tracker and Watcher are unaffected by a Miller.

Let's try this again shall we. Night 1 Noctis visited me and I visited Nacho. Noctis is confirmed town, to me at least, due to his role, not mine.

Why would Vette even be questioning the existance of a direct scan role in this game when his own role heavily points at there being one? Ofc it could just be that the only direct scan role in the game belongs to the Jack of all Trades but considering they are normally limited to one shot of each of their abilities (at least that's how I understand that they work) that would be a rather weird counter to include since it would be a double limitation on one ability.

In fact, I think in light of that information, I'd be willing to vote for Vette on top of his play for the rest of this game;

Vote: Vetteman

As for your vote on Moreon, I'm still not sure I understand it. Whilst I don't completely disagree with it (his play has seemed sort of off for reasons I can't place), as far as I am aware there is no concrete evidence against him (please correct me if I'm just being a moron atm)



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Linkzmax said:
Vetteman94 said:
Linkzmax said:
Asking if I have limited uses serves no purpose except to tell scum when my power is no longer a threat.

I tell you it's unlikely I'll be able to confirm anyone, and you spend 3 posts talking about the number of investigative roles. The biggest problem with all of your role meta is you don't mention a normal cop once. You're not really a miller are you?


Normal Cops are regularly replaced with a Tracker/Watcher combo, thats the reason I never brought it up.  That and the vague descriptions of what I have gathered about your roles do not point to a Normal Cop.   The town just seems to be at a huge advantage with all these roles and it just seems unlikely that they arent limited in some way.  

As long as SM128 isnt trying to play some sad joke on me, yes I am a Town Miller,  that hasnt changed since my first post in this game.   Nice reach though

So you can't really confirm anyone?  Ok, so then you aren't sure if Noctis is really Town or not despite saying he was?  

Miller strongly implies there is a Cop as Tracker and Watcher are unaffected by a Miller.

Let's try this again shall we. Night 1 Noctis visited me and I visited Nacho. Noctis is confirmed town, to me at least, due to his role, not mine.

A Tracker and a Watcher can still be useful for a Miller as a tracker can see if he goes anywhere,  and if a Watcher saw me show up at a persons house my Miller claim would be BS as I dont visit anyone.  Plus I never said their couldnt be a Cop,  just surprised at what seemed like alot of investigation roles coming up.   

You've played enough games to know that a Tracker is normally accompanied with a Watcher,  for me to make that assumption is not unfounded.  And to add a Cop also to that mix seems excessive regardless if there is a Miller or not, given that this game is only 13 people.   

Fine,  I was assuming Noctis to be town anyway.  



Nachomamma8 said:
morenoingrato said:
HoS Nacho.

If Vette had rightful suspicions, you are indeed following the lynch train.

Massclaim? Really? Horrible move dude.

Why do you disagree with a massclaim? And why is bringing up a massclaim and putting a vote on you worthy of an HoS back?

You just jumped on Vette's argument with no history of suspicion with me or anything. At least he had bases for lynching. And in a small game massclaiming is very risky, especially with 3 (or 2?) townies down.



Yoshiya said:
Nachomamma8 said:

Who are your suspects?

In terms of play, I'd have to say Vette is my main suspect. He has been continuously rolefishing throughout this whole game even people outright tell him it's a bad thing to do. Also, Linkz has raised a very interesting point in his last few points;

Linkzmax said:
Vetteman94 said:
Linkzmax said:
Asking if I have limited uses serves no purpose except to tell scum when my power is no longer a threat.

I tell you it's unlikely I'll be able to confirm anyone, and you spend 3 posts talking about the number of investigative roles. The biggest problem with all of your role meta is you don't mention a normal cop once. You're not really a miller are you?


Normal Cops are regularly replaced with a Tracker/Watcher combo, thats the reason I never brought it up.  That and the vague descriptions of what I have gathered about your roles do not point to a Normal Cop.   The town just seems to be at a huge advantage with all these roles and it just seems unlikely that they arent limited in some way.  

As long as SM128 isnt trying to play some sad joke on me, yes I am a Town Miller,  that hasnt changed since my first post in this game.   Nice reach though

So you can't really confirm anyone?  Ok, so then you aren't sure if Noctis is really Town or not despite saying he was?  

Miller strongly implies there is a Cop as Tracker and Watcher are unaffected by a Miller.

Let's try this again shall we. Night 1 Noctis visited me and I visited Nacho. Noctis is confirmed town, to me at least, due to his role, not mine.

Why would Vette even be questioning the existance of a direct scan role in this game when his own role heavily points at there being one? Ofc it could just be that the only direct scan role in the game belongs to the Jack of all Trades but considering they are normally limited to one shot of each of their abilities (at least that's how I understand that they work) that would be a rather weird counter to include since it would be a double limitation on one ability.

In fact, I think in light of that information, I'd be willing to vote for Vette on top of his play for the rest of this game;

Vote: Vetteman

As for your vote on Moreon, I'm still not sure I understand it. Whilst I don't completely disagree with it (his play has seemed sort of off for reasons I can't place), as far as I am aware there is no concrete evidence against him (please correct me if I'm just being a moron atm)

I was only role fishing for the people who seemed to be claiming they had knowledge on others alignments.  Because it seemed we had an abundance of investigative role for the town.    Thats why, but it has been clarified for me.   I was only questioning the exsistence of the number of investigation roles it seemed we had.   As I said to Linkz,  it is normal for a Tracker to be paired with a Watcher, and there are uses for it against a Miller.  What wouldnt be normal is adding a Cop.  Now its possible a Cop would replace the Watcher,  but its not the norm.  Which is what I am basing my situation on.  Maybe like you said the Watcher part is actually replaced by a JOAT, which includes cop ability as well.  

My vote on morenoingrato is pretty simple.  I took what everyone was saying as far as who they believe was town/had a high chance at being town and eliminated them from the list of people left.   Took the people left and analyzed their posts, he came across as the worst of whats left. Mainly because 2 of them werent posting at all at the time.  He seemed quick on the defensive and had no good explanation to the situation, he just agreed with other people instead of trying to look for something himself.  Plus he has now basically disappearred probably hoping people would forget about him and focus on other people.





Vetteman94 said:

I was only role fishing for the people who seemed to be claiming they had knowledge on others alignments.  Because it seemed we had an abundance of investigative role for the town.    Thats why, but it has been clarified for me.   I was only questioning the exsistence of the number of investigation roles it seemed we had.   As I said to Linkz,  it is normal for a Tracker to be paired with a Watcher, and there are uses for it against a Miller.  What wouldnt be normal is adding a Cop.  Now its possible a Cop would replace the Watcher,  but its not the norm.  Which is what I am basing my situation on.  Maybe like you said the Watcher part is actually replaced by a JOAT, which includes cop ability as well.  

My vote on morenoingrato is pretty simple.  I took what everyone was saying as far as who they believe was town/had a high chance at being town and eliminated them from the list of people left.   Took the people left and analyzed their posts, he came across as the worst of whats left. Mainly because 2 of them werent posting at all at the time.  He seemed quick on the defensive and had no good explanation to the situation, he just agreed with other people instead of trying to look for something himself.  Plus he has now basically disappearred probably hoping people would forget about him and focus on other people.

The latter part was more aimed at Nacho but thanks for the response anyway, at least it seems you have legitimate reason for going after Moreon at the moment, just a shame I don't believe you are on the right side atm.

I think in a power heavy game it's best not to assume that a certain side doesn't have certain roles, unlike the normal games you've played, a game like this is supposed to have an abundance of roles afterall. That said, the main thing I find weird is not the questioning of the number of roles but rather the questioning of the type. Unless Mario is a bastard host, roles like Miller will only be included if there is a cop (although including Miller makes him a bastard already :P) so why did you jump on the idea that out of the trio of investigative roles, the cop (the role that would need to be present for your role to make sense) was the one that wasn't in the game? It just doesn't seem right to me.



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morenoingrato said:
Nachomamma8 said:
morenoingrato said:
HoS Nacho.

If Vette had rightful suspicions, you are indeed following the lynch train.

Massclaim? Really? Horrible move dude.

Why do you disagree with a massclaim? And why is bringing up a massclaim and putting a vote on you worthy of an HoS back?

You just jumped on Vette's argument with no history of suspicion with me or anything. At least he had bases for lynching. And in a small game massclaiming is very risky, especially with 3 (or 2?) townies down.

Just because I don't talk about reasons doesn't mean I don't have them. Do you have any other suspects?



Yoshiya said:
Vetteman94 said:

I was only role fishing for the people who seemed to be claiming they had knowledge on others alignments.  Because it seemed we had an abundance of investigative role for the town.    Thats why, but it has been clarified for me.   I was only questioning the exsistence of the number of investigation roles it seemed we had.   As I said to Linkz,  it is normal for a Tracker to be paired with a Watcher, and there are uses for it against a Miller.  What wouldnt be normal is adding a Cop.  Now its possible a Cop would replace the Watcher,  but its not the norm.  Which is what I am basing my situation on.  Maybe like you said the Watcher part is actually replaced by a JOAT, which includes cop ability as well.  

My vote on morenoingrato is pretty simple.  I took what everyone was saying as far as who they believe was town/had a high chance at being town and eliminated them from the list of people left.   Took the people left and analyzed their posts, he came across as the worst of whats left. Mainly because 2 of them werent posting at all at the time.  He seemed quick on the defensive and had no good explanation to the situation, he just agreed with other people instead of trying to look for something himself.  Plus he has now basically disappearred probably hoping people would forget about him and focus on other people.

The latter part was more aimed at Nacho but thanks for the response anyway, at least it seems you have legitimate reason for going after Moreon at the moment, just a shame I don't believe you are on the right side atm.

I think in a power heavy game it's best not to assume that a certain side doesn't have certain roles, unlike the normal games you've played, a game like this is supposed to have an abundance of roles afterall. That said, the main thing I find weird is not the questioning of the number of roles but rather the questioning of the type. Unless Mario is a bastard host, roles like Miller will only be included if there is a cop (although including Miller makes him a bastard already :P) so why did you jump on the idea that out of the trio of investigative roles, the cop (the role that would need to be present for your role to make sense) was the one that wasn't in the game? It just doesn't seem right to me.

Even in a power heavy game it would seem odd that we would have that many investigative roles.  As for me questioning what roles we possibly have for investigation roles,  I am just trying to figure out who or what to believe from everyone.  We had a few people claiming others are town,  and I wanted to know why.  

And again I never said a cop couldnt be in the game,  I said that given what we know about certain characters none of them fit that situation so it didnt seem like we had one



I can't imagine a game without a cop? Has that ever happened before?



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Vetteman94 said:

Even in a power heavy game it would seem odd that we would have that many investigative roles.  As for me questioning what roles we possibly have for investigation roles,  I am just trying to figure out who or what to believe from everyone.  We had a few people claiming others are town,  and I wanted to know why.  

And again I never said a cop couldnt be in the game,  I said that given what we know about certain characters none of them fit that situation so it didnt seem like we had one


What makes you think there is a lot of investigatve roles? Because I was confirmed by linkz? With all the information Linkz had I am pretty sure  he already knew what  my power is. It's already a mutual understanding. I'll stop here because I think I already give too much info.

The only question is if he is town.  I am still 50/50 about him.

@bold

Why are so curious about it? Isn't better if the information and roles are still hidden. We still don't know how powerful the mafias are. Revealing the roles is like asking the mafia to have an open target to the town.

If there is a mafia blocker and I am pretty sure there is one because of power heavy this game is.  If there is a blocker then We just gave an information that mafia doesn't need to know. You haven't thought ofthose do you?

2nd paragraph

You are a miller. What is the use of having a miller in the game if there isn't a cop?

 

VOTE: Vette



Voting to lynch (It takes 6 votes):

Player L-5 L-4 L-3 L-2 L-1 Lynched!
Vetteman
Yoshiya
 Noctis  


Moreningrato
Nacho
Vette




 

Voting for time limit (It takes 4 votes):

L-3 L-2 L-1 In place!
 


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Nacho: Astro, Moren
Noctis: Yoshiya
Benao: Noctis
Vette: Moren
Yoshiya: Vette
Notcis: Vette




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