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Do you agree with it?

Yes 17 34.00%
 
No 33 66.00%
 
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Jay520 said:
Anfebious said:

Then why people do stupid things for love that follow no logic?

Because humans do stupid things. That's a part of being human.

What are you trying to imply here? Because people do stupid things for love, that means love is illogical?

That's a poor argument.

I've seen people do stupid things for sex, does that mean sex is illogical? No.

And why do we do stupid things? Is there no reason for that? Just being human? 

Also do you find faith stupid? If you do, isn't that a natural things for humans as you said?



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Jay520 said:
Anfebious said:
You can't explain faith with logic.


I don't think any sane human would ever admit that the most important component of their beliefs is based on absolutely no logic.

It's more that, even if you got them to admit a logical contradiction on some point, their belief in God is more fundamental than that. Those capable of being persuaded to nonbelief already would have, or have social reason not to [surrounded by less than tolerant believers].



I think religious types dont follow logic.

They just follow their desires.



Soleron said:
Jay520 said:
Anfebious said:
You can't explain faith with logic.


I don't think any sane human would ever admit that the most important component of their beliefs is based on absolutely no logic.

It's more that, even if you got them to admit a logical contradiction on some point, their belief in God is more fundamental than that. Those capable of being persuaded to nonbelief already would have, or have social reason not to [surrounded by less than tolerant believers].

What's fundamental about it?



Nem said:
I think religious types dont follow logic.


So a religious guy can't teach logic in school? D: 



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Anfebious said:
Nem said:
I think religious types dont follow logic.


So a religious guy can't teach logic in school? D: 


The topic is religion, not teaching biology in school.

They dont follow logic as far as religion goes. They just follow their desires.



Anfebious said:

1. And why do we do stupid things? Is there no reason for that? Just being human? 

2. Also do you find faith stupid? If you do, isn't that a natural things for humans as you said?


1. I'm no psychologist but I would assume it has something to do with humans not being perfect, being easily misguided by quests for sex, power, etc, never learning common sense, due to bad parenting, etc. Plus, some people are just born stupid, seriously. 

2. Who said faith was stupid? You? 



You guys should stop taking that faith thing so literally. Both sides. Religion simply isn't about logic, historical facts or science. Religious people should stop pretending (or thinking) religion "proves" anything - if Jesus (or Buddha for that matter) heard you saying that he'd slap you in the face (and for Buddha that'd be pretty bad!). This is simply not what religion is about and if you think that you got it all wrong - in this case you may think you are a christian or whatever but you are really not. At the same time atheists should stop reducing religion to being something nonfactual or imperfect. Faith can't be explained by logic or proven scientifically. It's imperfect and "illogical" by nature. If you could prove god's existence the whole thing would fall apart. The scientific method can't be applied to everything - it makes you miss out on a lot of stuff if you use it that way.

Guess most people won't get this post (though most will *think* they got it) but with all these discussions that totally miss the goal from both sides I might as well post my stuff too.



Soleron said:

It's more that, even if you got them to admit a logical contradiction on some point, their belief in God is more fundamental than that. Those capable of being persuaded to nonbelief already would have, or have social reason not to [surrounded by less than tolerant believers].

I'm actually not trying to persuade anyone. I was just wondering if people thought the argument was sound.

Besides, I can guarantee that at least one or two people will come to try to argue against it using logic.



gooch_destroyer said:
Soleron said:
Jay520 said:
Anfebious said:
You can't explain faith with logic.


I don't think any sane human would ever admit that the most important component of their beliefs is based on absolutely no logic.

It's more that, even if you got them to admit a logical contradiction on some point, their belief in God is more fundamental than that. Those capable of being persuaded to nonbelief already would have, or have social reason not to [surrounded by less than tolerant believers].

What's fundamental about it?

They want to believe in God more strongly than they believe in any single thing about him. The idea that everything has meaning, that you are important, that someone cares about you, and that you'll go somewhere you deserve after death. It comes from the natural human faculty to assign purpose to everything.