You guys should stop taking that faith thing so literally. Both sides. Religion simply isn't about logic, historical facts or science. Religious people should stop pretending (or thinking) religion "proves" anything - if Jesus (or Buddha for that matter) heard you saying that he'd slap you in the face (and for Buddha that'd be pretty bad!). This is simply not what religion is about and if you think that you got it all wrong - in this case you may think you are a christian or whatever but you are really not. At the same time atheists should stop reducing religion to being something nonfactual or imperfect. Faith can't be explained by logic or proven scientifically. It's imperfect and "illogical" by nature. If you could prove god's existence the whole thing would fall apart. The scientific method can't be applied to everything - it makes you miss out on a lot of stuff if you use it that way.
Guess most people won't get this post (though most will *think* they got it) but with all these discussions that totally miss the goal from both sides I might as well post my stuff too.
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