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DamnTastic said:

THIS!

It would make everything so much easier...

And defeat the purpose of a "free" country. Not to mention also destroying the country's morals, if any.



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TheProphet said:
spurgeonryan said:

I can think of no other reason. We are a country based on freedom of everything, yet this was a huge fight for years!

Just let people do what they want. Who cares? Except for a certain group of Americans who think they are judge and jury and can do what they want. Looky, looky! Americans showed them what is up yet again!


The reason homosexuality has been banned is because it is forbidden explicitly, and in different places in the Bible. It is also forbidden in the Koran and Hindu religions. It has been banned for thousands of years as religious societies grew and prospered, Britain, U.S. Now religion has been removed from the state in North America and Europe. Societies without religion are dying. They  have a birth rate below replacement. So religious societies live, and those without die. In two hundred years there will be no Western society. In France, Britain, and the rest of Europe Muslims are an increasing minority. In time they will be the majority. So it is in the final analsys God who lets disobedient societies perish. And ironically it is the gay rights movement that is implementing His punishment. As gay activists push for recognition the traditional family has become fatally ill, unable to reproduce (those in favor of gay rights are also in favor of the family destroying no fault divorce, abortion, pornography, etc). So enjoy your so called equality. As you destroy your own society the god fearing Muslims will take it's place. Or as Jesus so elequantly said: Blessed are the meek (Muslims, as opposed to arrogant, faithless atheists) for they shall inherit the world. 


Here is an example of a certain kind of extremism. 



scat398 said:
spurgeonryan said:

I can think of no other reason. We are a country based on freedom of everything, yet this was a huge fight for years!

Just let people do what they want. Who cares? Except for a certain group of Americans who think they are judge and jury and can do what they want. Looky, looky! Americans showed them what is up yet again!

Part of the problem with your title is the word extremist being associated with Christians, that is liberal hate speech.  But Christians do have a problem with same sex marriage and its not extreme to for them to have that belief.  The idea that a society works best under certain conditions is not an extreme point of view.  

I personally don't believe that gay marriage should be illegal but I won't condem those that believe otherwise because for literally hundreds of years marriage between man and woman has helped build great societies.  Now if happily married gay couples can contribute to that greatness we will have to see.  Will they adopt children in need of parents as research shows children with two parents do much better than single parent children.  And when their children go to school and find their teacher is talking to them about transgender and sexuality in k-5 schools will they speak out against it because kids that age have no business discussing this issues.  

The truth is the gay community has been clawing and scratching to be a part of something that when they finally get it may realize its a lot harder than they thought.  But hey maybe it will bring some of the gay community around to a more conservative point of view once they realize that liberals don't really care about them and their life, and to liberals the gay community is just another project to change and then leave in ruin.

Ok, if you don't want to use extremist, how about Radical?  Like a Radical Muslim or a Radical Christian.  In this case the Radical Christians are a small group in the USA who want to control and govern others by blending their (often changing) beliefs with the USA's legal system.  They seem to be a hold over of some of the angry Puritans and the once that forced slavery on the USA.  Currently, they have been trying to get their for of religious creation taught as science in the USA.

This whole fake argument from the 'religious rite' about 'traditional marriage, is just a term they made up in a focus group.  Marriage has not been defined as a 'one man and one woman' until very recently - and that very much changes by culture.  Just like people didn't often get married for love until relatively recently.  If you want at the Christian Tradition then marriage is a way to treat a woman you raped, something that happens to you if you other brother dies, women are considered property - and in the Bible the have marriage between siblings, multiple wives, etc.

Do you really believe that " gay community has been clawing and scratching" ?  They just want the same civil rights afforded other couples.  And by the way, in places where two men can get married, have have half the divorce rate of a man-woman marriage over the same time.



 

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gigantor21 said:
On the contrary, I think it's driven more by people who aren't frothing extremists and don't go around protesting military funerals. There are likely a lot more people who see the LGBT community as a bunch of mental defectives and fetishists, but just don't talk about their views much.

The same ones that faught aginst inter-racial marriage and against the equal rights admendment.  Cause somehow they think it deminishes them if women get the right to vote, work and own peoperty.

I think they are tiny angry minority.   Which is good, cause they can bring about a great deal of shame to a country.



 

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NintendoPie said:
Busted said:
Yes, governments should ban religion

Nice job taking it to another extreme. You can't solve extremes with other extremes.

OT: I would say partially. The other reason is because government works slowly. And the US' government works even slower.

Well, the USA purposely ended the connection between government and religion on July 4, 1776.  It's a rather big important day in the state.

Since then, until relatively recently, it has strongly made clear that religion has no place in government.  Some religious people have tired to put it in - like on our money and our pledge to the flag.  But they have been well organized in their attempts to make the USA a theocracy.

In the USA one is free to practice or not practice religion, but it is one of its core values that religious has no roll or place in government.



 

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Zappykins said:

Well, the USA purposely ended the connection between government and religion on July 4, 1776.  It's a rather big important day in the state.

Since then, until relatively recently, it has strongly made clear that religion has no place in government.  Some religious people have tired to put it in - like on our money and our pledge to the flag.  But they have been well organized in their attempts to make the USA a theocracy.

In the USA one is free to practice or not practice religion, but it is one of its core values that religious has no roll or place in government.

I know. And I agree with the fact that religion and government should stay seperate to extents, but banning religion is not the same as keeping religion and government seperate.



Its not apropriate to label it radical either, it is far from it.  It is an opinion that has been around for a long time and has proven well to society.

Now as I stated I personally I think gay marriage can be a good thing for marriage, and frankly good for the gay community as well.  But, like any normal conservative I like to see results and I am cautious in my nature, something my liberal friends loathe but could certainly stand to learn from.

 



I don't even know why religion comes into it or even why some people take the Bibles words so literally.
It's a book written by man for another country for another time thousands of years ago for a people with a completely different set of morals, why some religious people thinks it applies today to today's society has me beat. - I don't see people stoning their children to death.

Considering that my own country is behind the curve in regards to same-sex marriage compared to the rest of the developed world actually frustrates me, heck our prime-ministers sister wanted to ban "Homosexual propaganda" and ban the teaching about the topic in schools. (Like burying your head in the sand will make it go away! It will also cost lives as young Homosexuals need some kind of support and recognition that it's perfectly natural.)
The sad part is, when our Prime Minister announced he supported Same-sex Marriage, all the Churches turned their backs on him, the religious lobby groups started speaking out about it and the circle continues.

To me religion is halting equality, creating hate and discrimination and has done no good in advancing my own countries freedoms and that needs to change!




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scat398 said:

Its not apropriate to label it radical either, it is far from it.  It is an opinion that has been around for a long time and has proven well to society.

Now as I stated I personally I think gay marriage can be a good thing for marriage, and frankly good for the gay community as well.  But, like any normal conservative I like to see results and I am cautious in my nature, something my liberal friends loathe but could certainly stand to learn from.

 


Not everyone who is a self-described liberal is also someone who wishes to see absolutely every last foundation knocked out. In the United States alone there are plenty of people who wish to see gay marriage legal across the board but don't believe in banning guns or allowing immigrants to come and go as they please. This is a problem you will constantly run into. Blanket statements on people of all ideals. If you believe in gay marriage you must be a hardcore liberal and if you believe in the right to bear arms you're a hardcore conservative. It's ridiculous.

You made a point in a previous post to basically say that the liberal mindset is to change anything and everything even if for no reason. The counterpoint can be made of conservatives who wish to either keep things as they are or even revert them back regardless of if there is a reason or not. Women and minorities having virtually no rights in the United States was the conservative ideal for a long time. There was really no good reason for that. "It's just the way things have been" is quite often the only real excuse they can bring to the table on many topics. Typically, what has 'served us well' has really only served certain groups and any time that systemic preferential treatment is threatened the doomspeak comes out and we're all told it's the end of the world. It's pretty much the equivalent of an only child throwing a fit because now there is another child that gets attention. Slavery was a rampant concept that many found completely acceptable. It's thanks to the liberal minds of those times that slavery was ended.

When we're talking about ending things that hurt other people or ending barricades to fair treatment, there should be no hesitation. If you want to hesitate about something, hesitate (at the very, very least) if someone tries to make sex with an 8 year old legal or tries to say that Asians should be allowed to drive beyond the speed limit when everyone else has to obey it or tries to make it legal to kill someone's pet if they don't immediately return your lawnmower. I may be liberal on certain topics but you damn sure will see me pounding conservative drums if things like that are being pushed and I suspect that most people who are labeled as 'damn libtards' would agree with me.



NintendoPie said:
Zappykins said:

Well, the USA purposely ended the connection between government and religion on July 4, 1776.  It's a rather big important day in the state.

Since then, until relatively recently, it has strongly made clear that religion has no place in government.  Some religious people have tired to put it in - like on our money and our pledge to the flag.  But they have been well organized in their attempts to make the USA a theocracy.

In the USA one is free to practice or not practice religion, but it is one of its core values that religious has no roll or place in government.

I know. And I agree with the fact that religion and government should stay seperate to extents, but banning religion is not the same as keeping religion and government seperate.

Oh, yes, I agree.  I didn't mean that at all.  I think people should be free to practice religion anyway they want (well, within reason - no child sacrifices, etc.)

Religion should have no baring in civil law. 



 

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