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kinisking on 14 October 2014
GTAexpert said:
Jazz2K said:
GTAexpert said:
NobleTeam360 said:

Not really, this is all my opinion of course just like your above statement is an opinion. Nothing wrong with people wanting to get value out of the 60 bucks they spend on a game. You listed God of War as an example before, I'd never pay 60 bucks for a game like that, short story and that's really all you get out of that game, a story. I'll gladly wait for it to drop in price (20 bucks) before I ever consider buying it, which I'm glad I didn't buy any GoW games because I can get every GoW game  for 20 bucks now on a single disc (except Ascension). I'm not saying short games aren't fun I buy Halo and Gears games at full price but that's because they have MP I can go to and play for hundreds of hours making them easily worth the money I spend on them.

Ironically, Ascension is the only God Of War game with a multiplayer mode to increase its longevity.

Anyways, what you just said is exactly what's wrong with gamers today. They only buy a game if its really long, or has multiplayer, or both. A game seems to be worthy of a purchase for the content it has, not for the quality of that content. With this kind of a mindset among gamers you'll soon only see RPG's, open-world games, multiplayer-oriented shooters and sim racing games on PS/Xbox systems. I think you might be fine with that, but I certainly wouldn't. Might not even bother with gaming then.

Do you go out to watch movies? The tickets for a movie usually cost around ten dollars, don't they? Well, they are only about 2 hours long. So 60 dollars should be fine for a 12 hour game or longer. Think about it.


To me a game that has no longevity is like paying for a movie that will lasts 30min... = no way! These games should sell for way less if they have half the content found on other games that's all. 

Lots of devs care only about telling a good story through awesome graphics for a short gameplay session... well that's great but they should make movies instead.

I can't even think of where to start at this. That is such a wrong way of thinking, its unbelievable that people who call themselves hardcore gamers think that way.

Playing a 12 hour game for $60 is the same as watching a 2 hour move for $10 in terms of value, as long as you enjoy both equally. I don't know where you got that kind of a notion, perhaps you never played an incredible 12 hour game game. I know those kind of experiences are not available on Xbox, but you should try to expand your Horizons.

Besides many games can have BOTH a very good story and incredible gameplay. Uncharted and God Of War series are excellent examples of this, but again since you never bothered with PlayStation you would never know. Not trying to say that you need one, but without experiencing them you can't really make an honest opinion about them. If any of these becomes a movie, the story aspect will be retained, but the incredible gameplay will be lost. That is the reason Naughty Dog and Santa Monica Studio should not make a movie but stick with making games.

What? Why should I pay $60 for a game when it has less content and less time put into it then another game. Content is just as important as story and gameplay. Those aren't the only things things. If I'm going to put 60$ it has to be enjoyable and worth my money. Saying those experiences aren't on Xbox is just stupid 



Ltd predictions by the time 9th Gen comes out

Ps4:110million

Xbox one :75 million( was 65) 

Wii u: 20 milliion

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GTAexpert on 14 October 2014
kinisking said:
GTAexpert said:
Jazz2K said:


To me a game that has no longevity is like paying for a movie that will lasts 30min... = no way! These games should sell for way less if they have half the content found on other games that's all. 

Lots of devs care only about telling a good story through awesome graphics for a short gameplay session... well that's great but they should make movies instead.

I can't even think of where to start at this. That is such a wrong way of thinking, its unbelievable that people who call themselves hardcore gamers think that way.

Playing a 12 hour game for $60 is the same as watching a 2 hour move for $10 in terms of value, as long as you enjoy both equally. I don't know where you got that kind of a notion, perhaps you never played an incredible 12 hour game game. I know those kind of experiences are not available on Xbox, but you should try to expand your Horizons.

Besides many games can have BOTH a very good story and incredible gameplay. Uncharted and God Of War series are excellent examples of this, but again since you never bothered with PlayStation you would never know. Not trying to say that you need one, but without experiencing them you can't really make an honest opinion about them. If any of these becomes a movie, the story aspect will be retained, but the incredible gameplay will be lost. That is the reason Naughty Dog and Santa Monica Studio should not make a movie but stick with making games.

What? Why should I pay $60 for a game when it has less content and less time put into it then another game. Content is just as important as story and gameplay. Those aren't the only things things. If I'm going to put 60$ it has to be enjoyable and worth my money. Saying those experiences aren't on Xbox is just stupid 

There is no reason to think that less time is put in a shorter game. God Of War III, an SP-only game, was developed in 3 years. That is more than many games which are longer. Content isn't everything in a game, many game are long just due to endless grinding, while many short games are excellent from start to finish. These short games leave an impact on you, and are far more memorable than the grindfest games.

Yeah, those experiences aren't on Xbox. Although Halo definitely has a very good campaign, there is nothing on Xbox that have as incredible campaigns as the ones in Uncharted and God Of War game, though BioShock comes close. You'll know if you play them.



Goatseye on 14 October 2014

I think people sometimes forget that games are about interactiveness first.
Gameplay
Game mechanics

Then story, story progression

And then in a limbo there is content. In a limbo because if a story is not good, the progression won't matter to the player. The same goes to gameplay, if it sucks no one will stick around for story progression.



GTAexpert on 14 October 2014
Goatseye said:
I think people sometimes forget that games are about interactiveness first.
Gameplay
Game mechanics

Then story, story progression

And then in a limbo there is content. In a limbo because if a story is not good, the progression won't matter to the player. The same goes to gameplay, if it sucks no one will stick around for story progression.

Many games have a very good story and incredible gameplay. They are usually of the best kind.



TiagoCosta on 14 October 2014

Gameplay over story any day, unless I'm playing some jrpg and even in those I can only overlook so much, when it comes to the battle system.



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Jazz2K on 14 October 2014
GTAexpert said:
Jazz2K said:


To me a game that has no longevity is like paying for a movie that will lasts 30min... = no way! These games should sell for way less if they have half the content found on other games that's all. 

Lots of devs care only about telling a good story through awesome graphics for a short gameplay session... well that's great but they should make movies instead.

I can't even think of where to start at this. That is such a wrong way of thinking, its unbelievable that people who call themselves hardcore gamers think that way.

Playing a 12 hour game for $60 is the same as watching a 2 hour move for $10 in terms of value, as long as you enjoy both equally. I don't know where you got that kind of a notion, perhaps you never played an incredible 12 hour game game. I know those kind of experiences are not available on Xbox, but you should try to expand your Horizons.

Besides many games can have BOTH a very good story and incredible gameplay. Uncharted and God Of War series are excellent examples of this, but again since you never bothered with PlayStation you would never know. Not trying to say that you need one, but without experiencing them you can't really make an honest opinion about them. If any of these becomes a movie, the story aspect will be retained, but the incredible gameplay will be lost. That is the reason Naughty Dog and Santa Monica Studio should not make a movie but stick with making games.


Well I don't want to start that kind of argument on Empire. No need to feel attacked I'm not bashing your beloved Sony. For your interest, I never pretended to be what you call a "hardcore" gamer. I play games for my enjoyment and a big part of my enjoyment comes from playing with other people hence why I put multiplay above single play. I also like stories a lot mind you but even if I like movies I prefer series because they last longer and you get to know characters more than in movies. I say this because my taste in gaming is similar. Also 60$ for one game is not cheap. I don't care how good it looks, if it plays bad and/or has not much content then imo it's not worth 60$. 

I don't know where you got the idea that I only play on Xbox. I have a preference for Xbox because most of the games I like come from that console but nothing prevents me from liking games on other consoles. I always had praise for games like Uncharted and God of War but both of these franchises don't tilt my interest as much as games like Halo or even social games like Dance Central. Maybe you want to do your part on this stupid console war but I'm not a foe. I always had multiple consoles every gen and last gen was no exception and this gen won't be either so chill out man. 



GTAexpert on 14 October 2014
Jazz2K said:
GTAexpert said:
Jazz2K said:


To me a game that has no longevity is like paying for a movie that will lasts 30min... = no way! These games should sell for way less if they have half the content found on other games that's all. 

Lots of devs care only about telling a good story through awesome graphics for a short gameplay session... well that's great but they should make movies instead.

I can't even think of where to start at this. That is such a wrong way of thinking, its unbelievable that people who call themselves hardcore gamers think that way.

Playing a 12 hour game for $60 is the same as watching a 2 hour move for $10 in terms of value, as long as you enjoy both equally. I don't know where you got that kind of a notion, perhaps you never played an incredible 12 hour game game. I know those kind of experiences are not available on Xbox, but you should try to expand your Horizons.

Besides many games can have BOTH a very good story and incredible gameplay. Uncharted and God Of War series are excellent examples of this, but again since you never bothered with PlayStation you would never know. Not trying to say that you need one, but without experiencing them you can't really make an honest opinion about them. If any of these becomes a movie, the story aspect will be retained, but the incredible gameplay will be lost. That is the reason Naughty Dog and Santa Monica Studio should not make a movie but stick with making games.


Well I don't want to start that kind of argument on Empire. No need to feel attacked I'm not bashing your beloved Sony. For your interest, I never pretended to be what you call a "hardcore" gamer. I play games for my enjoyment and a big part of my enjoyment comes from playing with other people hence why I put multiplay above single play. I also like stories a lot mind you but even if I like movies I prefer series because they last longer and you get to know characters more than in movies. I say this because my taste in gaming is similar. Also 60$ for one game is not cheap. I don't care how good it looks, if it plays bad and/or has not much content then imo it's not worth 60$. 

I don't know where you got the idea that I only play on Xbox. I have a preference for Xbox because most of the games I like come from that console but nothing prevents me from liking games on other consoles. I always had praise for games like Uncharted and God of War but both of these franchises don't tilt my interest as much as games like Halo or even social games like Dance Central. Maybe you want to do your part on this stupid console war but I'm not a foe. I always had multiple consoles every gen and last gen was no exception and this gen won't be either so chill out man. 

I don't know how you guys take everything to be part of the console wars. Just because I mentioned Uncharted and God Of War doesn't mean that I am "defending" PlayStation, nor that it means that Sony is my "beloved". I just gave you 2 series which I think are the best examples of the kind of games I was talking about. But there are others as well, may of them on Xbox, like BioShock.

Its fine if you like MP games more, but you shouldn't diss SP games like you did in your post. Their is no reason why they should sell for half the cost of an MP game, when many of them cost far more time and money to produce. Neither is a good story in a game any reason for the developers to make a movie, as many of these games have awesome gameplay to back these up.



Jazz2K on 14 October 2014
GTAexpert said:
Jazz2K said:
GTAexpert said:

I can't even think of where to start at this. That is such a wrong way of thinking, its unbelievable that people who call themselves hardcore gamers think that way.

Playing a 12 hour game for $60 is the same as watching a 2 hour move for $10 in terms of value, as long as you enjoy both equally. I don't know where you got that kind of a notion, perhaps you never played an incredible 12 hour game game. I know those kind of experiences are not available on Xbox, but you should try to expand your Horizons.

Besides many games can have BOTH a very good story and incredible gameplay. Uncharted and God Of War series are excellent examples of this, but again since you never bothered with PlayStation you would never know. Not trying to say that you need one, but without experiencing them you can't really make an honest opinion about them. If any of these becomes a movie, the story aspect will be retained, but the incredible gameplay will be lost. That is the reason Naughty Dog and Santa Monica Studio should not make a movie but stick with making games.


Well I don't want to start that kind of argument on Empire. No need to feel attacked I'm not bashing your beloved Sony. For your interest, I never pretended to be what you call a "hardcore" gamer. I play games for my enjoyment and a big part of my enjoyment comes from playing with other people hence why I put multiplay above single play. I also like stories a lot mind you but even if I like movies I prefer series because they last longer and you get to know characters more than in movies. I say this because my taste in gaming is similar. Also 60$ for one game is not cheap. I don't care how good it looks, if it plays bad and/or has not much content then imo it's not worth 60$. 

I don't know where you got the idea that I only play on Xbox. I have a preference for Xbox because most of the games I like come from that console but nothing prevents me from liking games on other consoles. I always had praise for games like Uncharted and God of War but both of these franchises don't tilt my interest as much as games like Halo or even social games like Dance Central. Maybe you want to do your part on this stupid console war but I'm not a foe. I always had multiple consoles every gen and last gen was no exception and this gen won't be either so chill out man. 

I don't know how you guys take everything to be part of the console wars. Just because I mentioned Uncharted and God Of War doesn't mean that I am "defending" PlayStation, nor that it means that Sony is my "beloved". I just gave you 2 series which I think are the best examples of the kind of games I was talking about. But there are others as well, may of them on Xbox, like BioShock.

Its fine if you like MP games more, but you shouldn't diss SP games like you did in your post. Their is no reason why they should sell for half the cost of an MP game, when many of them cost far more time and money to produce. Neither is a good story in a game any reason for the developers to make a movie, as many of these games have awesome gameplay to back these up.


I'm sorry but saying things like "I know those kind of experiences are not available on Xbox" just tells me you don't know much about Xbox and then you list 2 exclusives games for PS... easy to conclude you want to praise one over the other. Sorry if I'm mistaken.

I'm not dissing SP games I'm saying sometimes we should be paying for the content we got. That's my position on the matter. 12 hours for gaming is enough imo. I was more talking about games that put cinematics after cinematics then some gameplay then cinematics and then after less than 6hours you finished the game. If you want to do it again then you have to go through a ton of cinematics all oer again for close to 4h gameplay, I'm sorry but that's not my idea of a good game. I'm willing to play those games but now at 60$ that's all.



Jaywood2010 on 14 October 2014




       

Jaywood2010 on 14 October 2014

Alright cut it out guys. Both of you guys are good members so no more arguing.  Im fine with debating but no pointing fingers implying one or the other is a fanboy