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papamudd on 18 July 2013

hers the all games list for ps4/x1: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=164826&page=1#



Talal said:
I will permaban myself if the game releases in 2014.

in reference to KH3 release date

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dsgrue3 on 18 July 2013
sales2099 said:

Your personal preference to game on a PC has nothing to do with PS3 having more games not on 360 or vise versa for a particular year. For the sake of a rivalry, tunnel vision and excluding all others comes with the comparison. In the end, it isn't about what you can play, its about what the console can play.

Your stance is far from universal, and neither is mine, so its better to just go unbiased and just do a 1 vs 1 with no outside factors. What you make of the end list is up to you.

Worst case from your position: Xbox 1 gets more games not on PS4 for holiday 2013. Would you A. defend this outright out of a sense of honour for your camp, or would you B. write it off because you can just play some X1 games on Windows 8 if you so choose to? A 1 vs 1 list is just that, a very closed off comparison. Any otuside factors don't mean anything, except how you choose to interpret the games on each one.

You're very tiring, dude. 

You want to analyze based on no PC. That's unrealistic in my opinion. Move on.

Vetteman94 said:
dsgrue3 said:

I can, actually. Because it isn't if you have a console do you own a gaming PC,  It's if you own a gaming PC do you own a console because the PC gaming market is the size of the entire console market combined.

You're choosing to ignore facts. Time to face reality and simply admit you're arguing from a minority position.

Well you are also assuming there is a huge overlap in PC gamers and console gamers, which you have no facts to back that up or any of your other claims either.  And how many in that PC gaming market are Facebook gamers and what not,  not exactly the type to be buying consoles.  You keep claiming you have facts yet fail to provide them,  and don't sit there and claim its common knowledge either or for me to go get them as its not my responsibility to provide that information.   

And again no you can't assume anything.   

None are included who "facebook game". If I include them, it expands tremendously, to 4x the size of the console space.

I'm presuming that there is quite a bit of overlap. >50% is sufficient for my argument. I'd be astonished if it weren't the case, but you are correct I have no hard data (nor could I find any) to support any position - yours or mine. It simply makes sense for this to be the standard scenario. 



Vetteman94 on 18 July 2013
dsgrue3 said:

 

Vetteman94 said:
dsgrue3 said:

I can, actually. Because it isn't if you have a console do you own a gaming PC,  It's if you own a gaming PC do you own a console because the PC gaming market is the size of the entire console market combined.

You're choosing to ignore facts. Time to face reality and simply admit you're arguing from a minority position.

Well you are also assuming there is a huge overlap in PC gamers and console gamers, which you have no facts to back that up or any of your other claims either.  And how many in that PC gaming market are Facebook gamers and what not,  not exactly the type to be buying consoles.  You keep claiming you have facts yet fail to provide them,  and don't sit there and claim its common knowledge either or for me to go get them as its not my responsibility to provide that information.   

And again no you can't assume anything.   

None are included who "facebook game". If I include them, it expands tremendously, to 4x the size of the console space.

I'm presuming that there is quite a bit of overlap. >50% is sufficient for my argument. I'd be astonished if it weren't the case, but you are correct I have no hard data (nor could I find any) to support any position - yours or mine. It simply makes sense for this to be the standard scenario. 

It only makes sense to you because it fits your scenario you are trying to push.  So again since there is no information to back up your claims, it makes your argument irrelevant.



Vetteman94 on 18 July 2013
Egann said:

The master list of everything to consider when buying a console (in no particular order)

 

  • Price
  • Hardware specs
  • Ergonomics
  • Design perks or functionality
  • Titles presently available for it
  • Titles announced for it which aren't released yet
  • The online ecosystem the manufacturer has built for it
  • Your ability to borrow games from friends with the same system
  • exclusives
I might have missed a couple, but you get the point. Exclusives are a small part of a lot of variables to consider when getting a console. They tend to be awesome games, but it is foolish to ignore the rest and focus on the exclusives.

 


Honestly I think your list is much longer than it needs to be,  I think it really comes down to 3 things,  price, games and what my friends play.  Maybe some of those come more into play at the begining of a generation, but I cant see many of those having much effect a few years into a generation



Eddie_Raja on 18 July 2013
Stinky said:
Eddie_Raja said:
Serious question:  Do you seriously think you can't play PC games on a couch with a controller?

I would never move my PC to the TV. It's in a different room for starters. And I have a perfectly good console plugged into the TV already.

Well my PS3 is hooked up to my monitor so should I say I need a PC to play on my couch?  Nope!  They both play on both.  So get over it and either stop being lazy, or stop bringing it up because it isn't a valid point.



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

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Veknoid_Outcast on 18 July 2013

Thanks to Xbox and Xbox 360 I was able to play PC games like Doom 3, Morrowind, Half-Life 2, Left 4 Dead, and Oblivion. Yes, those games aren't exclusive -- and neither are Gears of War or BioShock or Mass Effect -- but I was able to play them all on Xbox and Xbox 360. So buying an Xbox is a pretty good choice for fans interested in those games and in true Microsoft exclusives.

Is an Xbox 360 alone sufficient for all your gaming needs? I don't think so. But it might be the right choice for some people, especially considering the costs involved in this hobby.

The important thing is this: just play the games wherever you can get them.



dsgrue3 on 18 July 2013
Vetteman94 said:
dsgrue3 said:

None are included who "facebook game". If I include them, it expands tremendously, to 4x the size of the console space.

I'm presuming that there is quite a bit of overlap. >50% is sufficient for my argument. I'd be astonished if it weren't the case, but you are correct I have no hard data (nor could I find any) to support any position - yours or mine. It simply makes sense for this to be the standard scenario. 

It only makes sense to you because it fits your scenario you are trying to push.  So again since there is no information to back up your claims, it makes your argument irrelevant.
  • Over half of households (56 percent) own at least one current generation gaming console as of January 2012, up from 50 percent last year

Can't take too much from this, but it's at least something.

High end - of the 56% who play on a console, roughly 43% also play on PC.

Low end -  11% (Used 6% since that is all 3 types of devices)

Realistically, it's probably around 25-30% based on this data.



Vetteman94 on 18 July 2013
dsgrue3 said:
  • Over half of households (56 percent) own at least one current generation gaming console as of January 2012, up from 50 percent last year

Can't take too much from this, but it's at least something.

High end - of the 56% who play on a console, roughly 43% also play on PC.

Low end -  11% (Used 6% since that is all 3 types of devices)

Realistically, it's probably around 25-30% based on this data.

But it shows that 24% game on at least 2 types of devices but that also includes movile divices as well.  Wouldnt that number be closer to 10-15% considering that of that 24% its probably split pretty even amongst people who play on a PC/Console combo, PC/Mobile combo and Console/Mobile combo when you consider the number of mobile devices out there. 



dsgrue3 on 18 July 2013
Vetteman94 said:
dsgrue3 said:
  • Over half of households (56 percent) own at least one current generation gaming console as of January 2012, up from 50 percent last year

Can't take too much from this, but it's at least something.

High end - of the 56% who play on a console, roughly 43% also play on PC.

Low end -  11% (Used 6% since that is all 3 types of devices)

Realistically, it's probably around 25-30% based on this data.

But it shows that 24% game on at least 2 types of devices but that also includes movile divices as well.  Wouldnt that number be closer to 10-15% considering that of that 24% its probably split pretty even amongst people who play on a PC/Console combo, PC/Mobile combo and Console/Mobile combo when you consider the number of mobile devices out there. 

10-15% of 56% is 18-27%. I'm okay with that assessment.



Vetteman94 on 18 July 2013
dsgrue3 said:
Vetteman94 said:
dsgrue3 said:
  • Over half of households (56 percent) own at least one current generation gaming console as of January 2012, up from 50 percent last year

Can't take too much from this, but it's at least something.

High end - of the 56% who play on a console, roughly 43% also play on PC.

Low end -  11% (Used 6% since that is all 3 types of devices)

Realistically, it's probably around 25-30% based on this data.

But it shows that 24% game on at least 2 types of devices but that also includes movile divices as well.  Wouldnt that number be closer to 10-15% considering that of that 24% its probably split pretty even amongst people who play on a PC/Console combo, PC/Mobile combo and Console/Mobile combo when you consider the number of mobile devices out there. 

10-15% of 56% is 18-27%. I'm okay with that assessment.

So for arguements sake and easy math we will say 25%.

So should we be creating a list of games that would be beneficial for 1 out of every 4 people?  

Or creating a list of games that would be beneficial for 3 out of every 4 people?