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superchunk said:
BenKenobi88 said:


...you think of a group of elites that are hiding "secret knowledge" from lower members until they are deemed worthy to know.


 And what did Christianity do for its first thousand years. Only the preists could actually own and read a Bible. 


 theres a major difference between cultures then and now. Back then that was the general befief that priests were chosen by god, etc, etc. Yes there was some curropt powers but they were curropt with the power of their title.

Scientology will try to destroy individuals in everyway till they either join or die. That in this time and place in a modern society does not belong.  Scientology is ran but a group of people who are out for the destruction of culture and individual gain. They are using their fake beliefs to try to curropt the nations and their people out of their own beliefs.  They tried in Germany and thankfully Germany kicked them out as a clut.

 



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L. Ron Hubbard (maker of Scientology) said, and I quote:

"Make money. Make more money. Make other people make money." He's all about the money.

"Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her crimes, known and unknown." HOLY SHIT is this true. I've watched a number of youtube videos where people come up to Scientologists and question them. And they just go BATSHIT CRAZY and start asking WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES, WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES, DID YOU EVER RAPE A BABY, ARE YOU A CHILD MOLESTOR? etc.

I mean...that's just freaking insane...and they ALL say similar things...it's very clear that they indeed have been taught to say insane things like that. What are my crimes? What are yours? Why don't you ever try to explain Scientology to the unprivileged? Why the secrets? Why the money? Why can't it be free?

"We are slowly and carefully teaching the unholy a lesson. It is as follows: We are not a law enforcement agency. BUT we will become interested in the crimes of people who seek to stop us. If you oppose scientology we promptly look up - and find and expose - your crimes. If you leave us alone we will leave you alone.

It's very simple. Even a fool can grasp that.

And don't underrate our ability to carry it out. "

And it's clear the cult of Scientology has tried to do just that with bigger names...they REALLY DID try to break into a bunch of government facilities.

And of course, the classic L. Ron Hubbard quote:

"You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion."

DUH.


Now, I realize, as you MUST realize, that Scientology is a crock devised by Hubbard, a failing science fiction author. And that Scientology grew nonetheless, and exists whether you like it or not...as a religion you say, superchunk.

I'm not really sure how to convince you that it's a cult...I'm not very good with explaining.

One thing that always gets me though is the money...Catholicism might be a money machine, I don't really know, but I'm a Reformed Christian. And in my church, we take offerings on Sunday, but a money machine it is NOT. The money is A) to keep the physical building running, and B) for the needs of the community, be that near or far with missions. I realize that people say missions are just for the good of the religion, so my money is just going to Christianity, but of course I believe that we're just helping the people, and teaching them about God because we have the opportunity. If they don't accept it, we're not going to force anything on them...everyone should have a choice.

And the fact that you need to pay to get higher with an elite group makes it a cult, from a secular point of view I guess. No religion, a set of beliefs or rituals can function by forcing members to pay money to get higher. That's the work of a cult, or rather, a scam.



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SeikenDensetsu said:
I think its worse because Alot more people are getting Brainwash to be in there Cult,than KKK

KKK is dead, an never will be powerful


Sorry to go off topic but you've obviously never spent much time in small southern towns.

And as for Scientology, I really don't know anything about it other than it's freakin weird.  I definitely don't have any love for it but definitely don't support it either. 



ssj12 said:
Shade said:
@SSJ12 um no it isn't, it's not even close.

pease listen to anonymous

 

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrkchXCzY70


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BCrayfish said:
ssj12 said:
Shade said:
@SSJ12 um no it isn't, it's not even close.

pease listen to anonymous

 

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrkchXCzY70


1:39- Be very wary of the 10th of Febuary.

 

Someone's pissed that Brawl was delayed.


 lol awesome.

And does anyone else watch that video and think of some Linux dork squeezing their fat ass in a disgusting chair in his mothers basement and that's all ANONYMOUS really is?  Maybe he has a small group of friends that all post secret coded message on some random message board. 



Well, I'm still not convinced that its dirty little secrets are any different than the dirty secrets all religions have/had or will have. Granted, I fully believe that it is completely made up and was a get rich scheme used by its inventor, but so has many a religious leader under any banner.

I just don't see why there are groups so steadfast on its destruction. If the idiots who have money want to give it away for what they feel is religious hope. So be it. Me, I hand money directly to the poor. I don't let others skim off the top first as what happens with all charities. religious or otherwise.



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGP-0545EU

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/introspe.htm

Also, definitions of what a "Cult" is from Dictionary.

1.a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2.an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3.the object of such devotion.
4.a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5.Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6.a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7.the members of such a religion or sect.
8.any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.

 

If you can't draw the lines between those definitions (moreso 1, 6 and 8) and Scientology, well you might be borderline retarded.

 



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superchunk said:
Well, I'm still not convinced that its dirty little secrets are any different than the dirty secrets all religions have/had or will have. Granted, I fully believe that it is completely made up and was a get rich scheme used by its inventor, but so has many a religious leader under any banner.

I just don't see why there are groups so steadfast on its destruction. If the idiots who have money want to give it away for what they feel is religious hope. So be it. Me, I hand money directly to the poor. I don't let others skim off the top first as what happens with all charities. religious or otherwise.

 I feel the same way....I'm just playing the devil's advocate here...maybe not a good thing to play with religion hehe.

Although, if the cult indeed get too dangerous and a hazard to other people's freedoms, it should not continue.  I don't think Scientology has gotten that far...but it balances on that edge dangerously.  Breaking into government facilities?  Becoming violent with non-believers?  I'll pass.



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