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Forums - Gaming - Pacther: MS to pay Sony $150-$250million in royalty for Blu-Ray. Says he is right 70-80% of the time

-CraZed- on 07 July 2013
kowenicki said:
-CraZed- said:
drkohler said:
pezus said:

Someone tell me how to embed this.

 

He thinks it's $2-$3 per Blu-Ray drive  

 

 

And as usual, this moron is completely wrong when it comes to numbers. It's not like you can actually look up the blu-ray royalty rates on the intenet. Oh no, wait......... (It's actually $1.25 for a pc with installed bd software, and XBox One is certainly registeres as such, and the consortium is about 15 companies, so Sony gets around 10c)

 

stealh edit: forgot the drive. So it's actually around 50c for Sony

 

 

You are misreading the royalty table... (pasted below posting) That's $1.25 to $1.75 for the software (depending on whether it is 'bundled')  with the actual BR Drive, which will most likely be categorized as a PC, and is $7.00 per unit. That is around $8.25 - $8.75 to be divied up amongst BluRay Association and it is very fair to say Sony is at or near the top of the pecking order within that organization so they will indeed be getting the lion's share of those royalties. $2-$3 is not out of the question. Then you have the discs themselves on top of that. 

 

Hate to say it but Mr. 'mostly wrong' Pachter is probably right in this case and you are most likely wrong.

 

 

 

 

It doesn't matter who is right or wrong. $25m per annum max? It's almost literally nothing.  

It will add 0.003% to Sony existing annual revenue.  0.003%.

its a non story. 

how much does Sony pay MS for licensing software, I guess this will mitigate some of that?  but when sony join in the android licensing program (if they havent already) it will be dwarfed.

Ms licensing income from android devices alone is to rise from nothing in 2011 to $5bn per annum in 2017.  That's a story. 

Soooo... what does that have to do with my post? I was correcting a misinformed member fo the VGChartz forums as he was misreading the royalty tables.... I never said anything about whether it was more or less than the ALP royalties that MS gets. Not to mention that's a story for an Android vs. iOS forum more than it is here. If you'd like to compare corporate penis sizes go right ahead but that was not the intent of my posting. Thanks though.



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tres on 07 July 2013
Nsanity said:
Someone should ask Pacther how much money Sony is paying Microsoft to use Windows and Skype:


^this and direct x lol



Talal on 07 July 2013

Wow why did MS fans get so defensive about this. We already know that MS gets a lot more from Sony. We also already know that this doesn't amount to that much.



-CraZed- on 07 July 2013
kowenicki said:
-CraZed- said:
kowenicki said:
-CraZed- said:

You are misreading the royalty table... (pasted below posting) That's $1.25 to $1.75 for the software (depending on whether it is 'bundled')  with the actual BR Drive, which will most likely be categorized as a PC, and is $7.00 per unit. That is around $8.25 - $8.75 to be divied up amongst BluRay Association and it is very fair to say Sony is at or near the top of the pecking order within that organization so they will indeed be getting the lion's share of those royalties. $2-$3 is not out of the question. Then you have the discs themselves on top of that. 

 

Hate to say it but Mr. 'mostly wrong' Pachter is probably right in this case and you are most likely wrong.

 

 

 

 

It doesn't matter who is right or wrong. $25m per annum max? It's almost literally nothing.  

It will add 0.003% to Sony existing annual revenue.  0.003%.

its a non story. 

how much does Sony pay MS for licensing software, I guess this will mitigate some of that?  but when sony join in the android licensing program (if they havent already) it will be dwarfed.

Ms licensing income from android devices alone is to rise from nothing in 2011 to $5bn per annum in 2017.  That's a story. 

Soooo... what does that have to do with my post? I was correcting a misinformed member fo the VGChartz forums as he was misreading the royalty tables.... I never said anything about whether it was more or less than the ALP royalties that MS gets. Not to mention that's a story for an Android vs. iOS forum more than it is here. If you'd like to compare corporate penis sizes go right ahead but that was not the intent of my posting. Thanks though.

It has everything to do with it. This whole story is a corporate penis size story as asked through the mouth of a fanboy question on gtv to Pachter. It's a perfect fanboy-hits-to-website question. 

By the way, you are also correcting someone based on a guess. So you may just as wrong as he is.  I guess it's one dollar. You guess it's 2 or 3. As I said, either way it's close to fuck all. 

For you apparently it does. I don't give two $ hits who is paying who. Most of these companies are licensing something from one another. So as I said it has nothing to do with my particular posting or point. And also my correction didn't have to do with the $2-$3 dollars it had to do with the amount of royalties due for each drive and the software attached to each XBOX One Produced. If you actually read my post you'd see that I only state that Mr. 'mostly wrong' Pachter is probably more right than the OP.

For your reading pleasure..... and http://www.one-blue.com/royalty-rates/





Talal on 07 July 2013
kowenicki said:
Talal said:
Wow why did MS fans get so defensive about this. We already know that MS gets a lot more from Sony. We also already know that this doesn't amount to that much.


Clarification does not equal defensive.

some lesser informed users might appreciate the clarity. Not all are as informed, wise and intelligent as you.


Clarify what?

It's like making a Sony profit thread then someone coming in stating what Microsoft's profits are. It was never asked what Microsoft is making. Your statement about how the amount is nothing compared to Sony's revenue was on topic for example, but stating that Microsoft gets way more from Sony is not really. It's sort of like "my company of choice is getting more money from your company of choice".



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-CraZed- on 07 July 2013
kowenicki said:
-CraZed- said:
kowenicki said:

It has everything to do with it. This whole story is a corporate penis size story as asked through the mouth of a fanboy question on gtv to Pachter. It's a perfect fanboy-hits-to-website question. 

By the way, you are also correcting someone based on a guess. So you may just as wrong as he is.  I guess it's one dollar. You guess it's 2 or 3. As I said, either way it's close to fuck all. 

For you apparently it does. I don't give two $ hits who is paying who. Most of these companies are licensing something from one another. So as I said it has nothing to do with my particular posting or point. And also my correction didn't have to do with the $2-$3 dollars it had to do with the amount of royalties due for each drive and the software attached to each XBOX One Produced. If you actually rad my post you'd see that I only state that Mr. 'mostly wrong' Pachter is probably more right than the OP.

For your reading pleasure..... and http://www.one-blue.com/royalty-rates/

You asking me to suck eggs? I was the first person to post that here months and months ago. It doesn't tell you the breakdown now does it?

so yeah, Pachter and you are guessing. I'd say a more reasonable guess is $1, prove me wrong. 

No I wasn't telling you to suck eggs but if that's how you wish to take it then that's on you sir. I was merely pointing out that the poster was challenging a specualtion from Mr. 'mostly wrong' Pachter with faulty information. Which is why I said that Mr. Pachter's claim of $2-$3 per unit is not unfounded or "out of the question" especially given that Sony was the lead developer of the BRD. You then decided to reply to my post with a non sequitur about MS licensing phallus being larger than Sony's to which I reply I do not give a rat$ a $ $ about, and I still do not.

I never made the claim I knew it was $2-$3  but just to play your little fanboy game I say they get $5.38 9/10 per unit and the other 8 original BRD association members get the rest of the $8.25. Prove ME wrong.

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globalisateur on 07 July 2013

Ok let's say they get 2$ (or whatever) on each BD drive microsoft sells.

But don't they have to pay 7 - 2 = 5$ to the others BD owners for each BD drive contained in their own PS3 and soon PS4?



Talal on 07 July 2013
kowenicki said:
Talal said:
kowenicki said:
Talal said:
Wow why did MS fans get so defensive about this. We already know that MS gets a lot more from Sony. We also already know that this doesn't amount to that much.


Clarification does not equal defensive.

some lesser informed users might appreciate the clarity. Not all are as informed, wise and intelligent as you.


Clarify what?

It's like making a Sony profit thread then someone coming in stating what Microsoft's profits are. It was never asked what Microsoft is making. Your statement about how the amount is nothing compared to Sony's revenue was on topic for example, but stating that Microsoft gets way more from Sony is not really. It's sort of like "my company of choice is getting more money from your company of choice".


No it isn't. The thread mentions MS, it's totally on topic and totally relevant.

but if you say some of my post was clarification and on topic, then why are you asking clarify what? 

Your nit picking is what's off topic. I think we're done. 


I was mainly talking about Nsanity in my first post, but it does apply to you too. It does mention MS but it has nothing to do with how much Sony is paying MS. It's talking about how much Sony might get out of MS using Bluray. Why bring up how much MS is getting from Sony. It isn't a dick measuring contest.



Talal on 07 July 2013
kowenicki said:
Talal said:

I was mainly talking about Nsanity in my first post, but it does apply to you too. It does mention MS but it has nothing to do with how much Sony is paying MS. It's talking about how much Sony might get out of MS using Bluray. Why bring up how much MS is getting from Sony. It isn't a dick measuring contest.


As you serious? This thread and over half the threads on this forum are are exactly that, 


You're right about that. I guess I should either comment on all of them (which is impossible) or just drop all of them.



-CraZed- on 07 July 2013
Talal said:
kowenicki said:
Talal said:
kowenicki said:
Talal said:
Wow why did MS fans get so defensive about this. We already know that MS gets a lot more from Sony. We also already know that this doesn't amount to that much.


Clarification does not equal defensive.

some lesser informed users might appreciate the clarity. Not all are as informed, wise and intelligent as you.


Clarify what?

It's like making a Sony profit thread then someone coming in stating what Microsoft's profits are. It was never asked what Microsoft is making. Your statement about how the amount is nothing compared to Sony's revenue was on topic for example, but stating that Microsoft gets way more from Sony is not really. It's sort of like "my company of choice is getting more money from your company of choice".


No it isn't. The thread mentions MS, it's totally on topic and totally relevant.

but if you say some of my post was clarification and on topic, then why are you asking clarify what? 

Your nit picking is what's off topic. I think we're done. 


I was mainly talking about Nsanity in my first post, but it does apply to you too. It does mention MS but it has nothing to do with how much Sony is paying MS. It's talking about how much Sony might get out of MS using Bluray. Why bring up how much MS is getting from Sony. It isn't a dick measuring contest.

Because apparently having 'clarity' means declaring 'My favorite corporation gets more royalties than your favorite corporation!' (even if you have no corporate allegiance) rather than ensuring the FACTS are correct.