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Bofferbrauer2 on 27 September 2022
Captain_Yuri said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Reading the review from PCGH, I found out why the X3D beats the Zen 4 in several games: It's the GPU limit. Zen 4 bounces off of it, while the large cache of the X3D allows it to dig a bit deeper into the limit.

In other words, Ampere and Navi 2x are too weak to unleash the power of Zen 4 even just in 720p

Keep in mind that they have a different TDP setting. If you set the TDP of the 7600X to 65W it will lose a bit of performance but consume also just about as much as the 5600X while having much more performance.

That being said, AMD should really have released a Ryzen 5 who comes with a TDP of 65W out of the box. Just releasing an uprated 105W variant (and that goes for all the Zen 4 chips so far) makes them look very inefficient.

I wouldn't put too much stock into that. In some games it may be true that there is a GPU limit but there are also many other games where that is not the case. Anandtech did testing below 720p to really make sure GPU bottleneck wasn't a thing:

So I wouldn't get your hopes up outside of a few cases.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/17585/amd-zen-4-ryzen-9-7950x-and-ryzen-5-7600x-review-retaking-the-high-end/17

Also if they did lower the TDP, then it would have fallen behind the lower tier Alder Lake which is why I am sure AMD set it so high to begin with.

Their test literally just showed that there is a GPU limit and that the X3D can push harder against it with it's large cache. If there wasn't a GPU limit, then there would be more of a progression instead of stalling from the 5600X and up.



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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 27 September 2022

Intel 13th Gen Core Raptor Lake CPU pricing leaked by Newegg, i9-13900K for $660, i7-13700K $450, i5-13600K at $330

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-13th-gen-core-raptor-lake-cpu-pricing-leaked-by-newegg-i9-13900k-for-660-i7-13700k-450-i5-13600k-at-330

So let me get this straight...

13600k 14 Cores (6P 12 threads + 8E 8 threads) $330 vs $300 7600X 6 Cores 12 threads
13700k 16 Cores (8P 16 threads + 8E 8 threads) $450 vs $400 7800X 8 Cores 16 threads
13900k 24 Cores (8P 16 threads + 16E 16 threads) $660 vs $700 7950x 16 Cores 32 threads

Yea Intel just killed anything below a 7900X... Especially when you consider Z690 with PCI-E Gen 5 for GPU are on continuous sales.

Intel Core i9-13900HK and i7-13700H high-end laptop CPUs show up in first leak, boost up to 5.3 GHz

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i9-13900hk-and-i7-13700h-high-end-laptop-cpus-show-up-in-first-leak-boost-up-to-5-3-ghz

Last edited by Jizz_Beard_thePirate - on 27 September 2022

                  

PC Specs: CPU: 7800X3D || GPU: Strix 4090 || RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 || Main SSD: WD 2TB SN850

Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 27 September 2022
Bofferbrauer2 said:
Captain_Yuri said:

I wouldn't put too much stock into that. In some games it may be true that there is a GPU limit but there are also many other games where that is not the case. Anandtech did testing below 720p to really make sure GPU bottleneck wasn't a thing:

So I wouldn't get your hopes up outside of a few cases.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/17585/amd-zen-4-ryzen-9-7950x-and-ryzen-5-7600x-review-retaking-the-high-end/17

Also if they did lower the TDP, then it would have fallen behind the lower tier Alder Lake which is why I am sure AMD set it so high to begin with.

Their test literally just showed that there is a GPU limit and that the X3D can push harder against it with it's large cache. If there wasn't a GPU limit, then there would be more of a progression instead of stalling from the 5600X and up.

Except you can clearly see there is an improvement between 7600X and 7950X Red Dead 2 and not to mention in Far Cry 5, the Intel is also ahead...



                  

PC Specs: CPU: 7800X3D || GPU: Strix 4090 || RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 || Main SSD: WD 2TB SN850

hinch on 27 September 2022
Captain_Yuri said:

Intel 13th Gen Core Raptor Lake CPU pricing leaked by Newegg, i9-13900K for $660, i7-13700K $450, i5-13600K at $330

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-13th-gen-core-raptor-lake-cpu-pricing-leaked-by-newegg-i9-13900k-for-660-i7-13700k-450-i5-13600k-at-330

So let me get this straight...

13600k 14 Cores (6P 12 threads + 8E 8 threads) $330 vs $300 7600X 6 Cores 12 threads
13700k 16 Cores (8P 16 threads + 8E 8 threads) $450 vs $400 7800X 8 Cores 16 threads
13900k 24 Cores (8P 16 threads + 16E 16 threads) $660 vs $700 7950x 16 Cores 32 threads

Yea Intel just killed anything below a 7900X... Especially when you consider Z690 with PCI-E Gen 5 for GPU are on continuous sales.

Intel Core i9-13900HK and i7-13700H high-end laptop CPUs show up in first leak, boost up to 5.3 GHz

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i9-13900hk-and-i7-13700h-high-end-laptop-cpus-show-up-in-first-leak-boost-up-to-5-3-ghz

Assuming these kick for productivity and gaming against Zen 4 on top of supporting DDR4.. Yeah. Interested to see how Intel will price the 13400 as well, which should be the insane value for money (like the i5 12400) for gamers on a budget.

But yeah Intel should take it easily this year, value wise. Crazy how AMD went from being the budget brand to being premium brand in the space of a few generations.



Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 27 September 2022
hinch said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Intel 13th Gen Core Raptor Lake CPU pricing leaked by Newegg, i9-13900K for $660, i7-13700K $450, i5-13600K at $330

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-13th-gen-core-raptor-lake-cpu-pricing-leaked-by-newegg-i9-13900k-for-660-i7-13700k-450-i5-13600k-at-330

So let me get this straight...

13600k 14 Cores (6P 12 threads + 8E 8 threads) $330 vs $300 7600X 6 Cores 12 threads
13700k 16 Cores (8P 16 threads + 8E 8 threads) $450 vs $400 7800X 8 Cores 16 threads
13900k 24 Cores (8P 16 threads + 16E 16 threads) $660 vs $700 7950x 16 Cores 32 threads

Yea Intel just killed anything below a 7900X... Especially when you consider Z690 with PCI-E Gen 5 for GPU are on continuous sales.

Intel Core i9-13900HK and i7-13700H high-end laptop CPUs show up in first leak, boost up to 5.3 GHz

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i9-13900hk-and-i7-13700h-high-end-laptop-cpus-show-up-in-first-leak-boost-up-to-5-3-ghz

Assuming these kick for productivity and gaming against Zen 4 on top of supporting DDR4.. Yeah. Interested to see how Intel will price the 13400 as well, which should be the insane value for money (like the i5 12400) for gamers on a budget.

But yeah Intel should take it easily this year, value wise. Crazy how AMD went from being the budget brand to being premium brand in the space of a few generations.

Intel basically brought a gun to a knife fight loll. Even if 13th gen beats Zen 4 by 5% in gaming, the 8 E-cores will rolfstomp the rest of the sub 7900X lineup in multicore applications.



                  

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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 27 September 2022

If anyone wants to watch Raptor Lake event:

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/events/on-event-series/innovation.html

Starting in 5 minutes



                  

PC Specs: CPU: 7800X3D || GPU: Strix 4090 || RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 || Main SSD: WD 2TB SN850

Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 27 September 2022

The actual RCP is actually even cheaper according to videocardz:

Newegg just wants extra money lol



                  

PC Specs: CPU: 7800X3D || GPU: Strix 4090 || RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 || Main SSD: WD 2TB SN850

Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 27 September 2022

While A770 may not be all that care worthy for most people... Its still a breath of fresh air seeing a GPU announcement for $329 loll



                  

PC Specs: CPU: 7800X3D || GPU: Strix 4090 || RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 || Main SSD: WD 2TB SN850

Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 27 September 2022

Say what you will about Jensen and Lisa, their press conferences are light years ahead of Intel. This is 90% nothing burger



                  

PC Specs: CPU: 7800X3D || GPU: Strix 4090 || RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 || Main SSD: WD 2TB SN850

Bofferbrauer2 on 27 September 2022
Captain_Yuri said:

Intel 13th Gen Core Raptor Lake CPU pricing leaked by Newegg, i9-13900K for $660, i7-13700K $450, i5-13600K at $330

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-13th-gen-core-raptor-lake-cpu-pricing-leaked-by-newegg-i9-13900k-for-660-i7-13700k-450-i5-13600k-at-330

So let me get this straight...

13600k 14 Cores (6P 12 threads + 8E 8 threads) $330 vs $300 7600X 6 Cores 12 threads
13700k 16 Cores (8P 16 threads + 8E 8 threads) $450 vs $400 7800X 8 Cores 16 threads
13900k 24 Cores (8P 16 threads + 16E 16 threads) $660 vs $700 7950x 16 Cores 32 threads

Yea Intel just killed anything below a 7900X... Especially when you consider Z690 with PCI-E Gen 5 for GPU are on continuous sales.

Looks juicy, can't wait for reviews - and what the real power draw is this time around



The Nintendo eShop rating Thread: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=237454 List as Google Doc:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aW2hXQT1TheElVS7z-F3pP-7nbqdrDqWNTxl6JoJWBY/edit?usp=sharing

The Steam/GOG key gifting thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/242024/the-steamgog-key-gifting-thread/1/ 

Free Pc Games thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/248138/free-pc-games/1/