By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - PC Discussion - Carzy Zarx’s PC Gaming Emporium - Catch Up on All the Latest PC Gaming Related News

Conina said:
Captain_Yuri said:

AMD stopped driver updates for 300 series and older while Nvidia still continues to support their older GPUs with driver updates such as the 900 series. No driver updates = shat performance.

But... AMD drivers are like fine wine and performance of older GPUs gets better and better over the years compared to older Nvidia cards. That's what I've been told.

Lul all hopium nonsense. We have seen how poorly AMD gpus perform for nearly an entire generation and just when they start to get some traction as dx12 became more and more popular, AMD kills off driver support. This time they are in an even worse position with missing or lacking a ton of features like Ray Tracing, DLSS, Reflex and such. The sad thing is many of those 300 series GPUs can run games just fine with the community made drivers. But I wouldn't touch those with a 10 ft pole unless you want potential security holes in your system.

Nvidia drivers aren't always perfect but we have seen their GPUs get supported for longer. Combine that with cutting edge tech and it's very hard to recommend Radeon.



                  

PC Specs: CPU: 7800X3D || GPU: Strix 4090 || RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 || Main SSD: WD 2TB SN850

Around the Network
Captain_Yuri said:
Conina said:

So the R9 290X is now on par with the GTX 960? Wasn't it faster than the GTX 970, especially in DX12 and Vulcan games?

But the system requirements often are rough estimates, probably an AMD R9 280 or an AMD Van Gogh (Steam Deck) will do for 720p/30fps.

AMD stopped driver updates for 300 series and older while Nvidia still continues to support their older GPUs with driver updates such as the 900 series. No driver updates = shat performance.

The Uncharted Legacy of Thieves Collection got Steam Deck verified, which suggests stable 30 fps in 720p. So it seems that the Steam Deck can keep up with an R9 290X due to newer AMD drivers. Would be funny, if it is even faster on Steam Deck.



Conina said:
JEMC said:

So the R9 290X is now on par with the GTX 960? Wasn't it faster than the GTX 970, especially in DX12 and Vulcan games?

But the system requirements often are rough estimates, probably an AMD R9 280 or an AMD Van Gogh (Steam Deck) will do for 720p/30fps.

I doubt there was any more thought put into it than "write in the oldest DX12 cards with ~ 4 Gigs RAM you can find".



 

 

 

 

 

GN seems to have a tad more info about the direction it's going. Sounds like there will be a price cut on top of the name change and that it will be "relaunched at CES" next year. AIBs do have to reflash their BIOS and redo their packaging but Nvidia will cover some of the costs.

New drivers for the GeForce RTX 4090 also eliminate the DX12 bottleneck of the GeForce 3000 series – so our launch test is right

https://www.igorslab.de/en/new-drivers-for-the-geforce-rtx-4090-also-eliminate-the-dx12-bottle-neck-of-the-geforce-3000-series-so-it-can-be-launched/

Sounds like Nvidia rewrote a large part of the driver stack for the 4000 series to make it more efficient and the 3000s also benefit from that that rewrite.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 PCI-Express Scaling

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-pci-express-scaling/28.html

Don't pair your shiny $1600 GPU with a 20 year old motherboard folks but if you do, it's surprisingly not too bad. But I am sure your Pentium IV may explode.

PC will be the only platform to support Gotham Knights with 60fps

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/pc-will-be-the-only-platform-to-support-gotham-knights-with-60fps/

I get the feeling we will need a 3090 at least to achieve that 60fps but we will see...



                  

PC Specs: CPU: 7800X3D || GPU: Strix 4090 || RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 || Main SSD: WD 2TB SN850

AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Beats Intel’s Raptor Lake Core i7-13700K & Core i5-13600K CPUs In Gaming Benchmarks

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-7700x-beats-intel-raptor-lake-core-i7-13700k-i5-13600k-cpus-in-gaming-benchmarks/

One thing to note is 7700X with 6400 DDR5 beats Raptor Lake at 5200 DDR5 speeds. When specd with DDR5 5200 on both, Raptor Lake is ahead or very close. Take it with a grain of salt tho.



                  

PC Specs: CPU: 7800X3D || GPU: Strix 4090 || RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 || Main SSD: WD 2TB SN850

Around the Network

I really, really hope they end rebranding it as the 4070Ti, even if the performance is sh!t. I say that because there are some questions that arise from this movement, like what will be the new name and price, but also what it will mean for the rest of the lineup.

The 4080 12GB was very expensive at $899, three hundred less than the 16GB model, but it left room for whatever was going to be the 4070 to be priced between $500-600, and so on for the 4060, 4050, etc. Expensive, yes, but "only" around $100 more than the Ampere counterparts.

But, now that the card will be rebranded, what if they rebrand it as 4070 and launch it for $700? It's a crazy price, but it's two hundred less than the original price and a huge five hundred less than the 4080 16GB, making it a real possibility.

And, if that's the case, what will happen with the 4060? Will it become a $450-500 card (to leave room for a $550-600 4060Ti)? And what about the cards lower than that?

So yeah, maybe I'm overthinking it, but I hope the former 4080 12GB gets rebranded as 4070Ti, for our own sake.



Please excuse my bad English.

Currently gaming on a PC with an i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

Steam / Live / NNID : jonxiquet    Add me if you want, but I'm a single player gamer.

JEMC said:

I really, really hope they end rebranding it as the 4070Ti, even if the performance is sh!t. I say that because there are some questions that arise from this movement, like what will be the new name and price, but also what it will mean for the rest of the lineup.

The 4080 12GB was very expensive at $899, three hundred less than the 16GB model, but it left room for whatever was going to be the 4070 to be priced between $500-600, and so on for the 4060, 4050, etc. Expensive, yes, but "only" around $100 more than the Ampere counterparts.

But, now that the card will be rebranded, what if they rebrand it as 4070 and launch it for $700? It's a crazy price, but it's two hundred less than the original price and a huge five hundred less than the 4080 16GB, making it a real possibility.

And, if that's the case, what will happen with the 4060? Will it become a $450-500 card (to leave room for a $550-600 4060Ti)? And what about the cards lower than that?

So yeah, maybe I'm overthinking it, but I hope the former 4080 12GB gets rebranded as 4070Ti, for our own sake.

They could still release it at $899 as a 4070Ti then release a 4070 at $700 with less specs which would be even worse. I don't really know where they go from here but every single 4000 GPU seems bad value, I think even the 70 and 60 cards will be way above the budget of what people were expecting and even the 50 series card that targets budget gamers could out price the userbase.



Personally I won't applaud Nvidia until they do the following:

4080 16GB $800 or less
4070 12GB $550 or less

The performance uplift otherwise makes zero sense because yes you are getting an uplift... For a shat price. The 4090 price is easier to swallow because of it's target audience who are the Halo card buyers. But the 80 series shouldn't be in the Halo card price range.



                  

PC Specs: CPU: 7800X3D || GPU: Strix 4090 || RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 || Main SSD: WD 2TB SN850

WoodenPints said:
JEMC said:

I really, really hope they end rebranding it as the 4070Ti, even if the performance is sh!t. I say that because there are some questions that arise from this movement, like what will be the new name and price, but also what it will mean for the rest of the lineup.

The 4080 12GB was very expensive at $899, three hundred less than the 16GB model, but it left room for whatever was going to be the 4070 to be priced between $500-600, and so on for the 4060, 4050, etc. Expensive, yes, but "only" around $100 more than the Ampere counterparts.

But, now that the card will be rebranded, what if they rebrand it as 4070 and launch it for $700? It's a crazy price, but it's two hundred less than the original price and a huge five hundred less than the 4080 16GB, making it a real possibility.

And, if that's the case, what will happen with the 4060? Will it become a $450-500 card (to leave room for a $550-600 4060Ti)? And what about the cards lower than that?

So yeah, maybe I'm overthinking it, but I hope the former 4080 12GB gets rebranded as 4070Ti, for our own sake.

They could still release it at $899 as a 4070Ti then release a 4070 at $700 with less specs which would be even worse. I don't really know where they go from here but every single 4000 GPU seems bad value, I think even the 70 and 60 cards will be way above the budget of what people were expecting and even the 50 series card that targets budget gamers could out price the userbase.

Dear God, that would be the ultimate F U from Nvidia to its consumers.

But, from the GamersNexus video, we get the idea that board partners are convinced that the card will also get a price cut on top of the name change so, hopefully, your nightmare scenario won't happen.

That doesn't mean that the rest of the lineup will be priced with more common sense, but I feel that, right now, we can only expect lower levels of madness.



Please excuse my bad English.

Currently gaming on a PC with an i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

Steam / Live / NNID : jonxiquet    Add me if you want, but I'm a single player gamer.

Captain_Yuri said:

AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Beats Intel’s Raptor Lake Core i7-13700K & Core i5-13600K CPUs In Gaming Benchmarks

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-7700x-beats-intel-raptor-lake-core-i7-13700k-i5-13600k-cpus-in-gaming-benchmarks/

One thing to note is 7700X with 6400 DDR5 beats Raptor Lake at 5200 DDR5 speeds. When specd with DDR5 5200 on both, Raptor Lake is ahead or very close. Take it with a grain of salt tho.

Yeah, I'm not really sure how reliable the results are, to be honest, but it does give us the idea that both Intel and AMD will be very close one to the other.



Please excuse my bad English.

Currently gaming on a PC with an i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

Steam / Live / NNID : jonxiquet    Add me if you want, but I'm a single player gamer.