Marvel's Spider-Man PC - Multi-GPU Nvidia vs AMD Face-Off - PS5/PS4 Pro vs GeForce + Much More!

A lot of info with a wide range of CPUs and GPUs.

- Essentially you really need something like a 12600k to stay above that 60fps with maxed out ray tracing. They didn't test 5000 series though.
- 1060 vs PS4 Pro. 1060 performs a bit worse than PS4 Pro but the PS4 version of Spiderman has lower settings that can't be found on Spiderman remastered.
- 3060 vs 6600. The 3060 is sometimes 30-40% faster than 6600 even without RT.
- Ray Tracing in general is more so AMD optimized than Nvidia where the reflections are mirror like instead of actual reflections. So Nvidia's RT performance is only 6% faster than AMD's RT performance in 3080 vs 6800XT in general scenarios. But there are certain scenarios where Ray Tracing really gets stressed and that is where you see that gap we come to know:

So the main cause of the CPU issues is a mix of Ray Tracing but also decompressing assets. While lowering Ray Tracing settings or turning it off entirely does fix the CPU bottleneck, the fact that the CPU needs to do both the usual processing + now needing to do decompression is whats putting many of the lower tier and older CPUs to their limits. Imo once MS gets off their lazy asses and actually enables GPU based decompression in DX12, the CPUs should perform as we expect them to.

AMD confirms Ryzen 7000 series feature RDNA2 graphics

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-confirms-ryzen-7000-series-feature-rdna2-graphics

It only has 2 CUs so don't expect Steam Deck like performance but I am sure most people will be pairing them up with dGPUs anyway

AMD Ryzen 5 7600X has already been tested with Geekbench, 40% faster than 5600X

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-5-7600x-has-already-been-tested-with-geekbench-40-faster-than-5600x

Intel 13th Gen Raptor Lake CPUs & Z790 Platform To Be Announced on 27th September, Launch on 20th October

https://wccftech.com/intel-13th-gen-raptor-lake-desktop-cpus-27th-september-announcement-20th-october-launch/

Certainly going to be an interesting battle between the two.

Well, now that we have an idea of what to expect from Zen4, it will be interesting to see what Intel has to say about Raptor Lake.

About the presentation from AMD, which I didn't watch, I'd say that AMD is in a good position in the high end market and both the 7950X and 7900X will probably do well against the 13900K, even if they can go all the way up to 230W.

I'm not so sure about the 7700X and the 7600X, which I think will have the worst time since Intel will have lots of alternatives with lower prices, and that's before taking the platform cost into account.

Thr RDNA3 bit was laughable.

One thing I want to say, is an excerpt from a Videocardz article from yesterday: "There is no 7800X SKU for now, but it may appear later with 3D V-Cache."

Could AMD actually do that? When the 5800X3D came out, it was compared a lot with the regular 5800X and put in shame for its lower clocks, despite the big improvements in gaming. So, could have AMD decide to skip all the negative part and skip the 7800X and go straight to the 7800X3D? At the very least, that would explain why the 7700X is there.

Personally I am still a mixed bag with the presentation. 5% ahead of the 12900K after a year is a bit meh and it's unlikely the rest of the CPUs will scale much more past 7600k in gaming. Then AMD launching 7950X $100 less MSRP than 5950X might sound great on paper but I get the feeling they are doing that because 13900k will beat it in both ST and MT only a month after it launches. Then you have this whole cheap Z690 motherboards with PCI-E Gen 5 for GPU + Raptor Lake vs Zen 4 + Expensive X670E as none of the launch X670 non E motherboards will have PCI-E Gen 5 for GPU. Not to mention, Raptor Lake having a lot more cores in the midrange than AMD.

Of course on the other hand, Raptor Lake is the last CPU that will be compatible with the current socket while with AM5, you are getting a socket that will allow you to have CPU upgrades until 2025 at least. And Intel did indicate they will be increasing the prices for their CPUs. Also when you do spend the money, AM5 does have much better IO than 12th gen platform.

I'll have to see the reviews but I think if you are on AM4, getting 5800X3D is the best choice than upgrading. You will most likely get 90% of the performance of Ryzen 7000 in gaming without having to pay the new platform tax. Then eventually, you can either get a 7800X3D next year with cheap AM5 boards and cheap DDR5 or wait for Zen 5/Meteor Lake which will be a ground up redesign. If you have Intel or something older than AM4, then it becomes a different story because the last thing you want to do is pair an i3 7300 with a 4080...

Haha yeah, and literally after a day I ordered one this get announced. Figures. Might be up on Amazon where you are. Just checked and the X Plus Lightspeed its available on Amazon UK for £150.. Yeah.. I'll wait for a sale lol. Nice to see a replacement for the OG though, finally.

About Zen 4. Its a darn impressive product. But I feel maybe a little too late and a bit pricey in comparison to Intel. This feels like a product to target Alderlake and beat it - which it does in a lot of ways. However with Raptor Lake incoming in the next couple of months I feel that this will get superseded rather quickly. And unless you really care for power consumption Intel RL is the one to keep an eye on - assuming you're someone who needs a new PC this year.

Optical Switches, 120 Hours Battery And USB-C charging???

Hot damn!!!!

Back during the Zen3 launch, the performance uplift over Zen2 was around 15% and everybody went nuts about it. Now they're claiming a 25% increase and some go "meh". Sure, AMD isn't in a bubble and Intel has managed to come back, but it's still impressive nonetheless. Plus, it will certainly beat Alder Lake and it will fall quite close to Rocket Lake.

Cost of the platform is high, yes, but for someone that gets a whole new build, it's not a lot more expensive than Intel's parts, at least once the launch period passes and the dust settles down.
It's also worth keeping in mind that most DDR5 kits seem very expensive because they come in 32GB kits while most DDR4 kits are 16GB in size. Now don't get me wrong, DDR5 is still more expensive than DDR4, but the difference shrinks.

And yes, while you're paying more now for the AM5 platform, that could mean some saving in 2 or 3 years if you upgrade to the last AM5 based CPUs.

It's already popped up ina couple places. Between 170 and 175€ for the Plus Lightspeed. Way too expensive for me, but in line with other Raze optical mice, and the wired version will probably be around the 120-130€ mark.

Yea but it's a different circumstance...

AMD went from Zen 2 to Zen 3 within one year with a 15% uplift with the same platform while using DDR4 in the same process node. AMD went from Zen 3 to Zen 4 in two years with 29% increase... With a platform upgrade... While using DDR5... On a newer process node... On top of that, the 5000 series had class leading core counts and PCI-E Gen 4 while Intel only got PCI-E Gen 4 with Rocket Lake which as a CPU may as well been a downgrade from 10th gen. Ryzen 5000 was exciting not just because of the 15% increase but because of the entire package. You had CPUs that was class leading in games, class leading in core counts, class leading in workstation, a platform that was class leading in IO all with existing ram kits while motherboards being cheaper than the competition.

Now the situation is different. Very different... Intel has the Core Count lead. They have the cheaper motherboards along with both DDR5 and DDR4 options. Raptor Lake is coming out shortly that will likely take the wind out of the gaming advantages of Zen 4 maybe even workstation performance. So what does Zen 4 have exactly after spending all that money? Slower in gaming, potentially slower in multi-threaded workloads, expensive motherboards and expensive ram upgrades. The only real advantage is the platform but that's it... Not to mention, the mid-ranged continues to get screwed... And this time, while having a core count deficit.

And if you are going to wait till the dust settles down, you may as well wait for the X3D versions cause that might actually be worth the expenses.

I am not saying go get Raptor Lake but I am not saying to get Zen 4 either. I just think that going with either is a meh situation. I'll have to check reviews before final assessment though.

What AMD accomplished with Zen 3 in one year on the same process node with the same ram and same motherboards and same default tdp:

What AMD accomplished with Zen 4 after two years on the next generation node with DDR5 on a new platform with higher tdp:

Some of yall need to remember how incredible Zen 3 really was...

i might have missed it between all the news but what about 4k performance?

The CPUs will more or less perform the same whether it's 1080p or 4k because resolution is largely a GPU bottleneck.