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Captain_Yuri said:

Personally I am still a mixed bag with the presentation. 5% ahead of the 12900K after a year is a bit meh and it's unlikely the rest of the CPUs will scale much more past 7600k in gaming. Then AMD launching 7950X $100 less MSRP than 5950X might sound great on paper but I get the feeling they are doing that because 13900k will beat it in both ST and MT only a month after it launches. Then you have this whole cheap Z690 motherboards with PCI-E Gen 5 for GPU + Raptor Lake vs Zen 4 + Expensive X670E as none of the launch X670 non E motherboards will have PCI-E Gen 5 for GPU. Not to mention, Raptor Lake having a lot more cores in the midrange than AMD.

Of course on the other hand, Raptor Lake is the last CPU that will be compatible with the current socket while with AM5, you are getting a socket that will allow you to have CPU upgrades until 2025 at least. And Intel did indicate they will be increasing the prices for their CPUs. Also when you do spend the money, AM5 does have much better IO than 12th gen platform.

I'll have to see the reviews but I think if you are on AM4, getting 5800X3D is the best choice than upgrading. You will most likely get 90% of the performance of Ryzen 7000 in gaming without having to pay the new platform tax. Then eventually, you can either get a 7800X3D next year with cheap AM5 boards and cheap DDR5 or wait for Zen 5/Meteor Lake which will be a ground up redesign. If you have Intel or something older than AM4, then it becomes a different story because the last thing you want to do is pair an i3 7300 with a 4080...

Back during the Zen3 launch, the performance uplift over Zen2 was around 15% and everybody went nuts about it. Now they're claiming a 25% increase and some go "meh". Sure, AMD isn't in a bubble and Intel has managed to come back, but it's still impressive nonetheless. Plus, it will certainly beat Alder Lake and it will fall quite close to Rocket Lake.

Cost of the platform is high, yes, but for someone that gets a whole new build, it's not a lot more expensive than Intel's parts, at least once the launch period passes and the dust settles down.
It's also worth keeping in mind that most DDR5 kits seem very expensive because they come in 32GB kits while most DDR4 kits are 16GB in size. Now don't get me wrong, DDR5 is still more expensive than DDR4, but the difference shrinks.

And yes, while you're paying more now for the AM5 platform, that could mean some saving in 2 or 3 years if you upgrade to the last AM5 based CPUs.

hinch said:

JEMC said:

When I saw it this morning I knew you'd be interested.

And, not by chance, they haven't mentioned the price yet. But, well, Logitech + optical switches = the contrary of cheap.

Haha yeah, and literally after a day I ordered one this get announced. Figures. Might be up on Amazon where you are. Just checked and the X Plus Lightspeed its available on Amazon UK for £150.. Yeah.. I'll wait for a sale lol. Nice to see a replacement for the OG though, finally.

About Zen 4. Its a darn impressive product. But I feel maybe a little too late and a bit pricey in comparison to Intel. This feels like a product to target Alderlake and beat it - which it does in a lot of ways. However with Raptor Lake incoming in the next couple of months I feel that this will get superseded rather quickly. And unless you really care for power consumption Intel RL is the one to keep an eye on - assuming you're someone who needs a new PC this year.

It's already popped up ina couple places. Between 170 and 175€ for the Plus Lightspeed. Way too expensive for me, but in line with other Raze optical mice, and the wired version will probably be around the 120-130€ mark.