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JEMC said:

Captain_Yuri said:

Personally I am still a mixed bag with the presentation. 5% ahead of the 12900K after a year is a bit meh and it's unlikely the rest of the CPUs will scale much more past 7600k in gaming. Then AMD launching 7950X $100 less MSRP than 5950X might sound great on paper but I get the feeling they are doing that because 13900k will beat it in both ST and MT only a month after it launches. Then you have this whole cheap Z690 motherboards with PCI-E Gen 5 for GPU + Raptor Lake vs Zen 4 + Expensive X670E as none of the launch X670 non E motherboards will have PCI-E Gen 5 for GPU. Not to mention, Raptor Lake having a lot more cores in the midrange than AMD.

Of course on the other hand, Raptor Lake is the last CPU that will be compatible with the current socket while with AM5, you are getting a socket that will allow you to have CPU upgrades until 2025 at least. And Intel did indicate they will be increasing the prices for their CPUs. Also when you do spend the money, AM5 does have much better IO than 12th gen platform.

I'll have to see the reviews but I think if you are on AM4, getting 5800X3D is the best choice than upgrading. You will most likely get 90% of the performance of Ryzen 7000 in gaming without having to pay the new platform tax. Then eventually, you can either get a 7800X3D next year with cheap AM5 boards and cheap DDR5 or wait for Zen 5/Meteor Lake which will be a ground up redesign. If you have Intel or something older than AM4, then it becomes a different story because the last thing you want to do is pair an i3 7300 with a 4080...

Back during the Zen3 launch, the performance uplift over Zen2 was around 15% and everybody went nuts about it. Now they're claiming a 25% increase and some go "meh". Sure, AMD isn't in a bubble and Intel has managed to come back, but it's still impressive nonetheless. Plus, it will certainly beat Alder Lake and it will fall quite close to Rocket Lake.

Cost of the platform is high, yes, but for someone that gets a whole new build, it's not a lot more expensive than Intel's parts, at least once the launch period passes and the dust settles down.
It's also worth keeping in mind that most DDR5 kits seem very expensive because they come in 32GB kits while most DDR4 kits are 16GB in size. Now don't get me wrong, DDR5 is still more expensive than DDR4, but the difference shrinks.

And yes, while you're paying more now for the AM5 platform, that could mean some saving in 2 or 3 years if you upgrade to the last AM5 based CPUs.

Yea but it's a different circumstance...

AMD went from Zen 2 to Zen 3 within one year with a 15% uplift with the same platform while using DDR4 in the same process node. AMD went from Zen 3 to Zen 4 in two years with 29% increase... With a platform upgrade... While using DDR5... On a newer process node... On top of that, the 5000 series had class leading core counts and PCI-E Gen 4 while Intel only got PCI-E Gen 4 with Rocket Lake which as a CPU may as well been a downgrade from 10th gen. Ryzen 5000 was exciting not just because of the 15% increase but because of the entire package. You had CPUs that was class leading in games, class leading in core counts, class leading in workstation, a platform that was class leading in IO all with existing ram kits while motherboards being cheaper than the competition.

Now the situation is different. Very different... Intel has the Core Count lead. They have the cheaper motherboards along with both DDR5 and DDR4 options. Raptor Lake is coming out shortly that will likely take the wind out of the gaming advantages of Zen 4 maybe even workstation performance. So what does Zen 4 have exactly after spending all that money? Slower in gaming, potentially slower in multi-threaded workloads, expensive motherboards and expensive ram upgrades. The only real advantage is the platform but that's it... Not to mention, the mid-ranged continues to get screwed... And this time, while having a core count deficit.

And if you are going to wait till the dust settles down, you may as well wait for the X3D versions cause that might actually be worth the expenses.

I am not saying go get Raptor Lake but I am not saying to get Zen 4 either. I just think that going with either is a meh situation. I'll have to check reviews before final assessment though.

Last edited by Jizz_Beard_thePirate - on 30 August 2022