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^Nice find! Looks like Epic isn't affraid of losing Tencent's money to gain popularity and marketshare.



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Chazore said:

They have to have something up their sleeve to make this all worth it in the long-run. no one in finances can be that stupid to think Fortnite can print them dosh forever. 

People rag all the time about Valve making "no games", but here's Epic, still relying on a BR mode for the past 4 years now, to print them the biggest payroll.

This now makes me wonder how much they've been paying SE for these exclusives, because I doubt it's going to stop at KH and WewY. I imagine if they nab VIIR & XVI exclusivity, it'll be in the 100m.

Makes me wonder if SE is thinking it'll even make money from these a year later on Steam, let alone expecting a decent price discount of KH collection a year later (fat chance with Jap devs/publishers, because I've seen them expecting the West to pay full even when a console port hits PC years later, a storefront difference isn't likely to massively reduce the price). 

They also have Rocket League now .

And no one is going to give Square Enix 100 millions for the exclusivity of those two games. I'd bet that not even Sony would give them that much for their console exclusivity.

Also, Square Enix's own games never get more than a 50% discount, unlike the games from Eidos and such that get better discounts all the time. At least SEGA and Capcom are more flexible with their discounts.



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Chazore said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Well here's some good news for you

"New court filing shows Epic has lost more than $450 Million on the EGS in the past 2 years and other interesting fact"

https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-court-filing-shows-epic-has-lost-more-than-450-million-on-the-egs-in-the-past-2-years-and-other-interesting-facts.407391/

"Currently EGS has more than 160 million registered users and more than 56 million monthly active users

  • EGS has 400 games published by more than 200 developers
  • EGS currently supports 29 different currencies and has pricing in more than 190 countries and 30 regions
  • EPIC expects EGS to become profitable in 2023
  • At present, EGS has not yet achieved profitability because it has increased a lot of costs in order to gain market share
  • The 12% distribution amount charged by EGS is sufficient to cover the operating costs of EGS
  • EPIC lost approximately US$181 million on EGS in 2019, approximately US$273 million in 2020, and estimated losses of approximately US$139 million in 2021
  • Apple uses the application review process to give priority to its own applications to pass the review, and use this to compete against competitors
  • Apple does not use all its own rules for its own apps"

This means games on EGS ain't selling well since EGS has to pay the difference for the games that don't meet the minimum sales guarantee.

They have to have something up their sleeve to make this all worth it in the long-run. no one in finances can be that stupid to think Fortnite can print them dosh forever. 

People rag all the time about Valve making "no games", but here's Epic, still relying on a BR mode for the past 4 years now, to print them the biggest payroll.

This now makes me wonder how much they've been paying SE for these exclusives, because I doubt it's going to stop at KH and WewY. I imagine if they nab VIIR & XVI exclusivity, it'll be in the 100m.

Makes me wonder if SE is thinking it'll even make money from these a year later on Steam, let alone expecting a decent price discount of KH collection a year later (fat chance with Jap devs/publishers, because I've seen them expecting the West to pay full even when a console port hits PC years later, a storefront difference isn't likely to massively reduce the price). 

I think their main objective is to make EGS be successful because Fortnite won't last forever. It's why they are continuing on with this train even though they are losing 100s of millions each year. They are hoping that PC gamers will choose them but clearly, they aren't so far.

But I do think we kinda understand why some games are exclusive to EGS like those David Cage games from Sony while others are on Steam like Death Stranding, Horizon Zero Dawn and Days Gone. The publishers probably gives Epic Games a certain amount of sales they expect to happen. If Epic games thinks they can cover the costs, they will pay them to make it exclusive. If Epic games thinks they can't, then the game won't be exclusive.

We will see what happens with FF but I think it will end up like Sony where the main big games will come to Steam.



                  

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Least there's always another option



                  

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JEMC said:

They also have Rocket League now .

And no one is going to give Square Enix 100 millions for the exclusivity of those two games. I'd bet that not even Sony would give them that much for their console exclusivity.

Also, Square Enix's own games never get more than a 50% discount, unlike the games from Eidos and such that get better discounts all the time. At least SEGA and Capcom are more flexible with their discounts.

I know, but they weren't instrumental in RL being the game it is, they merely bought it, same way I look at Minecraft with MS, but Minecraft Dungeons being entirely new under the Minecraft name, is MS's own design. 

No, I meant 100m for KH collection, TWEWY, VIIR and XVI as the other two being possibly added, to make it a supposed 100m investment. I wouldn't suggest 100m for just two IP's. The way I see it, EG is making not just two deals with SE, but multiple future ones as well. We've already seen it with a few other devs and also wanting to pub other games for exclusivity reasons, so with SE it wouldn't surprise me if there are more deals under the table. 

Sega is by far the more charitable one with their discounts, with Capcom in 2nd place, though SMT III's recent price reveal has me taking a second glance at Sega.



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Captain_Yuri said:

Least there's always another option

Even with the rum.



Mankind, in its arrogance and self-delusion, must believe they are the mirrors to God in both their image and their power. If something shatters that mirror, then it must be totally destroyed.

Chazore said:
JEMC said:

They also have Rocket League now .

And no one is going to give Square Enix 100 millions for the exclusivity of those two games. I'd bet that not even Sony would give them that much for their console exclusivity.

Also, Square Enix's own games never get more than a 50% discount, unlike the games from Eidos and such that get better discounts all the time. At least SEGA and Capcom are more flexible with their discounts.

I know, but they weren't instrumental in RL being the game it is, they merely bought it, same way I look at Minecraft with MS, but Minecraft Dungeons being entirely new under the Minecraft name, is MS's own design. 

No, I meant 100m for KH collection, TWEWY, VIIR and XVI as the other two being possibly added, to make it a supposed 100m investment. I wouldn't suggest 100m for just two IP's. The way I see it, EG is making not just two deals with SE, but multiple future ones as well. We've already seen it with a few other devs and also wanting to pub other games for exclusivity reasons, so with SE it wouldn't surprise me if there are more deals under the table. 

Sega is by far the more charitable one with their discounts, with Capcom in 2nd place, though SMT III's recent price reveal has me taking a second glance at Sega.

Instrumental or not, now they own it and it's another source of income, which is what matters.

A deal for all those games makes more sense, but I still find it a bit excessive, specially given the lower cut they game from each game sold on their store and that the exclusivity will only be temporal. But hey, if thei're willing to pay it, all the better for S-E.



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Captain_Yuri said:

I think their main objective is to make EGS be successful because Fortnite won't last forever. It's why they are continuing on with this train even though they are losing 100s of millions each year. They are hoping that PC gamers will choose them but clearly, they aren't so far.

But I do think we kinda understand why some games are exclusive to EGS like those David Cage games from Sony while others are on Steam like Death Stranding, Horizon Zero Dawn and Days Gone. The publishers probably gives Epic Games a certain amount of sales they expect to happen. If Epic games thinks they can cover the costs, they will pay them to make it exclusive. If Epic games thinks they can't, then the game won't be exclusive.

We will see what happens with FF but I think it will end up like Sony where the main big games will come to Steam.

What I've gathered over the past 2 1/2 yrs, is that they don't seem to care that much for you or me, but they do seem to want more focus on the kids growing up alongside them, just like how we grew up alongside Steam, because most of us have been around when Steam started, but these Fortnite kids weren't, so they seem to be mostly indifferent to Steam and EGS showing up recently, so Epic's likely to just bank on them as they grow older and eventually come at us with a "gotcha" moment, when they do somehow print money from the store by then. 

I'm guessing SE don't expect their future ports to sell all that well, hence the current two exclusive contracts. I'd say I'm sad that another Japanese company is thinking ever so damn low of the PC platform for it's sales, but this is SE, where they set stupidly high expectations, then throw a public hissy fit when things don't go their way. 

I'd hope VIIR and XVI come to Steam, but I dunno, this kind of dickery just muddies up the water for me. 



Mankind, in its arrogance and self-delusion, must believe they are the mirrors to God in both their image and their power. If something shatters that mirror, then it must be totally destroyed.

JEMC said:

Instrumental or not, now they own it and it's another source of income, which is what matters.

A deal for all those games makes more sense, but I still find it a bit excessive, specially given the lower cut they game from each game sold on their store and that the exclusivity will only be temporal. But hey, if thei're willing to pay it, all the better for S-E.

Most people think of Edison for the lightbulb, when some of us really know it was Tesla, as well as other stuff he invented, that doesn't mean to say I'm going to give Edison all the credit, just because he made it popular. I go by who created it first, not who owned or made it popular later, because that matters little to the very conception of anything (as I see it).

RL is also oldish now, so I don't really see that bringing in as much as Fornite is atm. That's probably why they fully cut off new users from getting it on Steam, because they wanted to funnel them onto their client instead. 

You can see what they've paid so far, and I doubt all those indie devs costed them more than the AAA deals they made, that's why I think the majority of those deals made in the 400m were mostly AAA and publisher costs (like Remedy/505 games for example, or making GTA V free for a limited time). 



Mankind, in its arrogance and self-delusion, must believe they are the mirrors to God in both their image and their power. If something shatters that mirror, then it must be totally destroyed.

Age of Empires IV: Fan Preview

Lots of Gameplay shown. Coming out this fall on Steam, Xbox and Windows Store. Also AoE2DE and AoE3DE are getting more DLC.

AMD Ryzen 7000 Series ‘Raphael’ CPUs Leaked In New Roadmap – 5nm, Zen4, PCIe 5.0, DDR5 And Navi 2 Graphics Coming In 2022



https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7000-raphael-to-feature-5nm-zen4-core-and-navi2-graphics

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7000-series-raphael-cpus-leaked-in-new-roadmap-5nm-zen4-pcie-5-0-ddr5-and-navi-2-graphics-coming-in-2022/



                  

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