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Chazore said:
Are we really needing yet another generational thread about how PC's are all gonna be expensive or weak, and that PC gaming is gonna be dead again?.

I mean, you'd think after a number of years on this site, that people would stop pulling that crap by now. People buy into what they want, it's not hard, it doesn't need number price stat crunching or anything. The whole "consoles are cheap, therefore better than PC's and everyone will drop PC" rhetoric is beyond stale at this point, and I honestly wish it'd die.

Happens every gen loll. People forget or ignore what the purpose of PC is and only focus on how it compares in price to performance for gaming compared to consoles. Some people think that because a PC can cost $1000 and the console costs $500 with similar performance that suddenly, PC offers no value.

It's always funny to see because even if you only focus on gaming, PC claws it back by having free online, by giving you extensive gaming features that are only do able on PC. You look at how many people get worked up about whether or not previous gen game will be compatible with their next gen console... Meanwhile PCs can not only play games from 2 decades ago, ironically it can play old console games through emulation. Then you have mod support. Yea consoles get very limited mod support that has to pass Sony's/MS's screening where as PC is like, nude mods? Mario Mods? Whatever mods? Fuck yea!

The list goes on with universal controller support, family sharing, competitive digital stores, bundles, free games every month, upgradablity, various form factors like laptops and portables, etc

Not to mention when the next gen gpus, cpus and etc do come out in a few months, reality will strike



                  

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Paradox really starts to become a very big Publisher. I just hope they don't fall like the other big ones, they DLC are already a bit ludicrous but thankfully no lootboxes or predatory microtransactions yet...

You can scrap that "a bit". You'll be hard pressed to find one of their games that doesn't have at least a dozen DLCs that very, very rarely go on sale with more than a 50% discount.



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JEMC said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:
Paradox really starts to become a very big Publisher. I just hope they don't fall like the other big ones, they DLC are already a bit ludicrous but thankfully no lootboxes or predatory microtransactions yet...

You can scrap that "a bit". You'll be hard pressed to find one of their games that doesn't have at least a dozen DLCs that very, very rarely go on sale with more than a 50% discount.

Yeah, hence why Hearts of Iron 4 is still only on my wishlist. That DLC list is just crazy. Got Stellaris and Crusader Kings III through Humble Bundle, and their DLC lists are also longer than my shopping list when my pantry and fridge are totally empty.



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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 With TU116 GPU Pictured - Turing NVENC & GDDR6 Onboard

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What do you mean this isn't the GPU news you wanted?

Well... Here's something, Moore's Law revised some of his Ampere leaks to something more realistic I'd say. I still have my doubts about the 12 Pin connector since I doubt Nvidia is that crazy but we will see. Essentially all of this comes from the rumour that Nvidia will be using all Samsung 8nm for their consumer Ampere instead of a mix of TSMC's 7nm and Samsung's 8nm. Remember to take it with a grain of salt.



                  

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Samsungs 8nm process is roughly 30% behind TSMC on transistor density per mm2.

It's definitely not the gulf that was 12nm vs 7nm.

Using Tensor cores for compression is a damn exciting thing, could be a massive bandwidth boon for all.



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Captain_Yuri said:

Happens every gen loll. People forget or ignore what the purpose of PC is and only focus on how it compares in price to performance for gaming compared to consoles. Some people think that because a PC can cost $1000 and the console costs $500 with similar performance that suddenly, PC offers no value.

It's always funny to see because even if you only focus on gaming, PC claws it back by having free online, by giving you extensive gaming features that are only do able on PC. You look at how many people get worked up about whether or not previous gen game will be compatible with their next gen console... Meanwhile PCs can not only play games from 2 decades ago, ironically it can play old console games through emulation. Then you have mod support. Yea consoles get very limited mod support that has to pass Sony's/MS's screening where as PC is like, nude mods? Mario Mods? Whatever mods? Fuck yea!

The list goes on with universal controller support, family sharing, competitive digital stores, bundles, free games every month, upgradablity, various form factors like laptops and portables, etc

Not to mention when the next gen gpus, cpus and etc do come out in a few months, reality will strike

And it's always the god damn price argument lol. Like I've watched people like Jaytech (the Sony fan) and Colteastwood (Xbox fan) both using the price argument each and every time, as if it's some magical end all card. Notice how it's always the GPU cost, never what performance it brings, let alone any other part and that's what really bored the fuck out of me, like we all know how it goes "y-yeah PC is good, but it's hella expensive, because I say so, so that makes PC maybe a 50/50 machine" (not y'know, 80/10 or even 90, ebcause of all the shit it can do).

Oh yeah, I forgot PC is now the last bastion for free online, since Ninty charges now, which means huge savings over time of not having to pay an extra fee. Also mods providing free content.

What really gets me though, is the punters who still think PC's are all about driver issues up the wazoo. I've only had one issue that's driver related, but that's Planetside 2, and that's an old 2012 game, that was never really well optimised for PC to begin with (SoE, oh gee, what a surprise).

I believe new Ryzen CPU's, new SSD's, a new GDDR6 RAM and new GPU's with DLSS 2.0 are just gonna bring PC to new heights, and that's not some shitty [insert brand name here] marketing hype, it's what will actually happen. 



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Chazore said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Happens every gen loll. People forget or ignore what the purpose of PC is and only focus on how it compares in price to performance for gaming compared to consoles. Some people think that because a PC can cost $1000 and the console costs $500 with similar performance that suddenly, PC offers no value.

It's always funny to see because even if you only focus on gaming, PC claws it back by having free online, by giving you extensive gaming features that are only do able on PC. You look at how many people get worked up about whether or not previous gen game will be compatible with their next gen console... Meanwhile PCs can not only play games from 2 decades ago, ironically it can play old console games through emulation. Then you have mod support. Yea consoles get very limited mod support that has to pass Sony's/MS's screening where as PC is like, nude mods? Mario Mods? Whatever mods? Fuck yea!

The list goes on with universal controller support, family sharing, competitive digital stores, bundles, free games every month, upgradablity, various form factors like laptops and portables, etc

Not to mention when the next gen gpus, cpus and etc do come out in a few months, reality will strike

And it's always the god damn price argument lol. Like I've watched people like Jaytech (the Sony fan) and Colteastwood (Xbox fan) both using the price argument each and every time, as if it's some magical end all card. Notice how it's always the GPU cost, never what performance it brings, let alone any other part and that's what really bored the fuck out of me, like we all know how it goes "y-yeah PC is good, but it's hella expensive, because I say so, so that makes PC maybe a 50/50 machine" (not y'know, 80/10 or even 90, ebcause of all the shit it can do).

Oh yeah, I forgot PC is now the last bastion for free online, since Ninty charges now, which means huge savings over time of not having to pay an extra fee. Also mods providing free content.

What really gets me though, is the punters who still think PC's are all about driver issues up the wazoo. I've only had one issue that's driver related, but that's Planetside 2, and that's an old 2012 game, that was never really well optimised for PC to begin with (SoE, oh gee, what a surprise).

I believe new Ryzen CPU's, new SSD's, a new GDDR6 RAM and new GPU's with DLSS 2.0 are just gonna bring PC to new heights, and that's not some shitty [insert brand name here] marketing hype, it's what will actually happen. 

The funny thing about price is because modern PC landscape is so competitive, I'd speculate that we will have lower prices faster than ever. Before you had AMD essentially out of the picture in the CPU front while being decently competitive in the GPU front. These days they are hella competitive in the CPU front and we can only hope they will be pretty competitive with their upcoming GPUs as well.

They did release that 1600 AF for $85 which was essentially a 2600. I wouldn't doubt if they release 2600 AF which would essentially be a 3600 for a similar price. We will see how GPU pricing goes but I doubt Nvidia is going to get a free pass this time around.

And yea, I can't remember the time when I had a driver issue with any of my computers or laptops. Most things pretty much just work. My only issue in maybe the last 3-4 years was trying to get my 3900X working with my Asus Crosshair VI Hero x370 as that was a pain but I knew it would be going into it. But once I got it going, boom, no more issues.



                  

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EGS is now officially integrated into GOG Galaxy
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